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Old 04-07-2016, 12:22 PM  
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Old 02-13-2017, 12:42 PM   #1861
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Dude. Do you even watch when we lose? All the crap teams we lose to are because the other teams slog it all to **** and KU forgets that you need to move either yourself or the ball to get open and score. Sure you remember Ali Farokhmanesh bombing reeruned threes that happened to go, but far more often it is losing to a West Virginia type game than an ISU type game. Why? Dudes hack everything to ****ing **** because they aren't athletic enough to ball (See: Big 10).

No, we cant afford luxuries like TV's and such...
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Old 02-13-2017, 12:52 PM   #1862
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Well, according to the analytics, our guards are shit defenders. Here's the rating list, with 100 being average and above that means you've given up more pts than the avg defender:


1. Josh 96.9
2. Lucas 98.1
3. Bragg 98.7


So the front court is all better than avg. but this backcourt:

4. Mason 103.2
5. Devonte 103.8
6. Vick 104.7
7. Svi 104.9



(Here are the ratings for the 2013 team that finished 3rd in def efficiency:

Withey 83.7 (!!!)
Ellis 89.1
McLemore 93.1
EJ 95.8
Releford 95.6
Jamari 86.6
Tharpe 97.0
Kevin Young 86.6)
You do realize that those numbers don't actually mean anything, right? That, when a guard can feed a driving opponent into the waiting arms of a 7'0, historically good shot blocker, that their arbitrary "defensive rating" goes up?

You do realize that these types of analytics are for fans who can't just watch basketball and tell who is playing well and who is not?

You don't?

Ok.
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Old 02-13-2017, 12:59 PM   #1863
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Withey was ****ing disgusting. I almost felt bad for fools when they'd try to get a shot up in the lane.

I think that metric is understating Mason's defense. He doesn't get a lot of steals, nor is he an absolute stopper. But he rarely gets beat to the point he puts helpside defense in a bad position and he is an excellent rebounder. He isn't Releford embarrassing fools, but he is above average IMO.
Mason isn't a bad defender, his issue is one that he cannot help. He has no length - so while he's relatively good at positioning and on the ball, he does not have any length to restrict passing lanes, or be efficient in help defense. KU's style of Defense emphasizes collapsing on the ball to force a pass and then utilizing (because they're Kansas right?) superior athletes to contest shots with run-outs. Having guys like Ellis (undersized) and Lucas (non-athletic) coupled with smaller guards such as Mason hasn't helped. Add in players like Selden who was in lala land (Vick does the same thing), Svi who cannot guard his shadow, and the Brannen Greene's of the world (who the f*** knew what this guy was doing). Those are the length players Self looks for, but ended up having severe flawes defensively. Unfortunately, they all add up to a shitty defense compared to what Self teams are used to.
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Old 02-13-2017, 01:10 PM   #1864
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Well, according to the analytics, our guards are shit defenders. Here's the rating list, with 100 being average and above that means you've given up more pts than the avg defender:


1. Josh 96.9
2. Lucas 98.1
3. Bragg 98.7


So the front court is all better than avg. but this backcourt:

4. Mason 103.2
5. Devonte 103.8
6. Vick 104.7
7. Svi 104.9



(Here are the ratings for the 2013 team that finished 3rd in def efficiency:

Withey 83.7 (!!!)
Ellis 89.1
McLemore 93.1
EJ 95.8
Releford 95.6
Jamari 86.6
Tharpe 97.0
Kevin Young 86.6)
I'm not sure I can trust an analytic that says basically Releford was the worst defender on the team.
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Old 02-13-2017, 01:11 PM   #1865
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You do realize that those numbers don't actually mean anything, right? That, when a guard can feed a driving opponent into the waiting arms of a 7'0, historically good shot blocker, that their arbitrary "defensive rating" goes up?

You do realize that these types of analytics are for fans who can't just watch basketball and tell who is playing well and who is not?

You don't?

Ok.
Do you ever post anything of value here?


So you don't like the def eff ratings. Offer up something in response, doosh. Or admit you have nothing.


You can go thru the last decade of KU player ratings and easily tie the data to what you see. Your argument, therefore, is as stupid as you are.
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Old 02-13-2017, 01:31 PM   #1866
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Mason isn't a bad defender, his issue is one that he cannot help. He has no length - so while he's relatively good at positioning and on the ball, he does not have any length to restrict passing lanes, or be efficient in help defense. KU's style of Defense emphasizes collapsing on the ball to force a pass and then utilizing (because they're Kansas right?) superior athletes to contest shots with run-outs. Having guys like Ellis (undersized) and Lucas (non-athletic) coupled with smaller guards such as Mason hasn't helped. Add in players like Selden who was in lala land (Vick does the same thing), Svi who cannot guard his shadow, and the Brannen Greene's of the world (who the f*** knew what this guy was doing). Those are the length players Self looks for, but ended up having severe flawes defensively. Unfortunately, they all add up to a shitty defense compared to what Self teams are used to.
Agreed. But I watch the game and there is no way that Mason is the problem. Or even that he is below average across the entire NCAA. (I think I read PB's post properly)
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Old 02-13-2017, 07:44 PM   #1867
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Lecomte commits his 4th foul. Proceeds to mouth off. Gets a T to foul himself out of the game with 8:30 left.

Go tech (and refs)!
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Another Syracuse overtime coming up. **** these losers.
And the one time it finishes well before the next game... well, ~10 minutes. Gratned, there was 6:30 left when I checked 25 minutes ago.
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And the one time it finishes well before the next game... well, ~10 minutes. Gratned, there was 6:30 left when I checked 25 minutes ago.
We will get to miss the first six minutes of our offense actually looking good. Maybe we will get a double overtime thriller with both teams under 70 points.
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