***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[displacedinMN]

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Originally Posted by 2112 View Post
Teachers are crying that they’re working harder now remotely than they were in the classrooms. That’s never gonna happen

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Originally Posted by srvy View Post
My school district started out online lessons Mon-Friday. This lasted about 2 weeks after spring break. We got an email and letter in the mail that the teachers were overwhelmed and Mondays would be teacher's day for preparing to evaluate and grading. Kids do online lessons Tues - Fri which is ok as they get there material to their laptops at 10 am and it takes them 2 to 3 hours and they are done Personally I think the teachers are overwhelmed because they don't have all the assistants that they relay on.
In most cases, it's because teachers can reuse much of their lesson plans year after year. A teacher's first year teaching a class is always the hardest.

The sudden push to online suddenly turned them all into first year teachers and added the complexity of relying on parents to help and learning new technologies in a very short period of time.

Elementary teachers have 3-5 lessons a day they have to put online. Lots of subjects and very little of it is transferred fast.

I teach 8th grade science-I am also a block schedule. So I only see the same kids every other day.
So I make a lesson-good for two days. I am also about a week and a half ahead making lessons/assessments.

If I am in school, I can pull the lessons out of my head without a lot of prep-except for lab work.

I can see why some are overwhelmed. Just a new way of doing things.

[displacedinMN]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

my wife was a technology leader back in the Lees Summit district but I’ve had to help her get up to speed. Mostly districts tech fault. K-12 School districts just don’t “get” tech. Her co-workers are struggling to learn the 3 different software packages they are using in elearning in this district.

We have teachers that after 10+ years of smartboards, cannot figure out that if the smartboard is not working--unhook the USB, count to 10, and hook it back up.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

If preventative measures work you immediately get howls that you didn't need to take any measure.

Is it just perhaps possible like maybe, even if we won't ever know for sure but...

Maybe CA hospitals, unlike NY, didn't get overwhelmed because CA jumped early and NY didn't ?

Some think west coast got lesser of the strains and why ca wa and bc seem to be doing better

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Sure but we most likely aren't getting a vaccine until 2021 if we get one at all. I think we will though.

I just can't see 80,000 fans at Arrowhead this fall because of the chance that there is one or more asymptomatic people that has it which will infect thousands. Once that happens KC will have to go back into lockdown.

This is still a deadly highly communicable virus.

Don't discount the human body, my friend. I fully believe that as this virus continues to adapt to live in humans the more humans will adapt to fight it. This virus started in animals and if I understand things correctly that's what makes it so deadly to us. As a virus mutates to live on us it also becomes more susceptible to our immune systems.

For all its evil genius and efficient, lethal design, Kirkegaard said, “the virus doesn’t really want to kill us. It’s good for them, good for their population, if you’re walking around being perfectly healthy.”

Evolutionarily speaking, experts believe, the ultimate goal of viruses is to be contagious while also gentle on their hosts — less a destructive burglar and more a considerate house guest.

That’s because highly lethal viruses like SARS and Ebola tend to burn themselves out, leaving no one alive to spread them.

But a germ that’s merely annoying can perpetuate itself indefinitely. One 2014 study found that the virus causing oral herpes has been with the human lineage for 6 million years. “That’s a very successful virus,” Kirkegaard said.

Seen through this lens, the novel coronavirus that is killing thousands across the world is still early in its life. It replicates destructively, unaware that there’s a better way to survive.

But bit by bit, over time, its RNA will change. Until one day, not so far in the future, it will be just another one of the handful of common cold coronaviruses that circulate every year, giving us a cough or sniffle and nothing more.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...-so-hard-kill/

[Dunit35]

Originally Posted by JakeLV

We had some internal memos discussing 60-75% of normal case load for rads during this time a few weeks ago. Not sure what the estimates are now, but first and second year residents are gonna have it rough for a bit.

They really need to open up normal doctor visits. A lot of patients learn they need treatment from normal checkups. Going to be hard to find out you need help if doctors won’t allow visits.

[Monticore]

I had to do an exam on a possible Covid patient today and wearing that PPE sucks my goggles kept fogging up and I was only in there 10 mins.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Dunit35

They really need to open up normal doctor visits. A lot of patients learn they need treatment from normal checkups. Going to be hard to find out you need help if doctors won’t allow visits.

I normally do 14 patients a day average and I have been 3-5 daily for last 2 weeks

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by O.city

Santa Clara said they won’t be having big crowds til after thanksgiving

So the 9ers either won’t have home games or ....

Have you got a link to this statement?

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

If I was a tax-paying citizen or a business owner in Santa Clara, I’d demand to know the models/statistical projections they are basing this outlandish statement on.

And yet, you still wouldn't understand it....

[dirk digler]

Well this is interesting

Coronavirus in New York came mainly from Europe, studies show.

New research indicates that the coronavirus began to circulate in the New York area by mid-February, weeks before the first confirmed case, and that it was brought to the region mainly by travelers from Europe, not Asia.

“The majority is clearly European,” said Harm van Bakel, a geneticist at Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, who co-wrote a study awaiting peer review.

A separate team at N.Y.U. Grossman School of Medicine came to strikingly similar conclusions, despite studying a different group of cases. Both teams analyzed genomes from coronaviruses taken from New Yorkers starting in mid-March.

The research revealed a previously hidden spread of the virus that might have been detected if aggressive testing programs had been put in place.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I normally do 14 patients a day average and I have been 3-5 daily for last 2 weeks

Lots of clinics are doing televisits

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I normally do 14 patients a day average and I have been 3-5 daily for last 2 weeks

Please post again. You're at 666.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

And yet, you still wouldn't understand it....

Even if he could he still would not. He is obtuse on this situation.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Hog's Gone Fishin

Please post again. You're at 666.

No way.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by SupDock

My clinic is doing a lot of tele-visit volume.

I unfortunately need in person patients , thank god I don’t get paid per patient lol , my wife is seeing her patients mostly over the phone.