Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[LowExpectations]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Not really. He was targeted like 30% more.

Compare Brandon Lloyd Denver with Orton to him with NE and Brady.

Yards per catch for WRs bounces within a 2 yard range year to year.
And sample is smaller than that.

And it's not like we don't have more info with Smith.
2009-2011 Crab got a solid 12.8 a catch with most passes coming from Smith.

That really wasn't the issue with him. He is quick and slippery. Good at grabbing a bit of YAC. The problem was how often he was dropping passes.
And they ditched a lot of the fly routes he was forced to try as an outside WR.

It's not like Crabtree was always flying open down the field and it took Kaepernick to get him the ball down the field.

If you have the numbers to prove me wrong, so be it, but it did seem like Kaepernick did hit him on some deeper throws that Smith wouldn't have attempted.

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by LowExpectations

If you have the numbers to prove me wrong, so be it, but it did seem like Kaepernick did hit him on some deeper throws that Smith wouldn't have attempted.

Sure. He did throw more intermediate stuff to him.

More yards when he caught it but he caught less % of what was targeted to him.
The 1.16x yards a catch uptick came had some drawback.

Overall the pass offense got 4.3% more yards per attempt with Kaepernick.

A 50/50 Catch to Crabtree 15yards down field isn't always the way to go.
The dreaded check-down is OK.

Making just 1 of those for 7 yards per game in his 7 starts last year. And his YPA goes up to 8.55

And that would be a statistically solid difference from Alex Smith 7.97

[Alex Smiff]

Originally Posted by Jakemall

Pretty sure Crabs was already starting to significantly improve in 2012 while Alex was still the starter...but enjoy your revisionist history.

You are WRONG! Again.

Crabs' numbers changed once Kaep took over.

How many 100 yard games did Crabs have with Alex beforehand (over the course of a good 30+ games)? I believe it was 2. He had 5 with Kaep (and a 93 yarder) in 5 games.

Shall we look at the playoffs production?

2012 playoffs
20 Receptions for 285 yards 3 TDs (Could have been 4...remember that goalline fumble in Atlanta?)

2011 playoffs
4Receptions for 25 yards 2 TDs

You'd have to be a blithering idiot to not see the difference between Crabs/Kaep and Crabs/Alex....

Troy Smith/ Crabs connection > Alex Crabs connection.

Crabs was on pace to have the same numbers he had last year with Alex under center. Those numbers took off when Kaep took over. Not only are you a fanboy but you're dishonest, too. The worst kind.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

You are WRONG! Again.

Crabs' numbers changed once Kaep took over.

Crabs was on pace to have the same numbers he had last year with Alex under center. Those numbers took off when Kaep took over. Not only are you a fanboy but you're dishonest, too. The worst kind.

So full of shit, kid... Suck on these numbers a bit.

This is old and recycled discussion. Now, show us how VD's production was with Smith and then Kaep. Go ahead.


week 1-9 = 26 rec on 37 targets / 380 yds / 4 TDs -------- ( with Alex )

week 9-16 = 16 rec on 25 targets / 172 yds / 1 TD -------- ( with Kaep )

So, big whoopity doo, kid. Alex liked throwing the ball to VD and others.. as well as Crabtree, which Alex completed approx. 40 passes to prior to the concussion. That's 40 at about the mid-point to the season. Does 40 sound terrible in a run-based offense? Kaep only completed about 50 to him.



Let all this go and enjoy the 49ers journey. Let Alex Smiff go, once and for all. Alex has controlled and dominated your pathetic life all of those 8 years... and now, you are allowing him to dominate you even though you are free of him. Can you not see this twisted and sick obsession is poisoning your soul?

[milkman]

You people realize that both the Air Coryelland West Coast systems are just branches of the offense that Sid Gillman innovated in the 50s with the Rams and brought to the Chargers in 60s, right?

Air Coryell just emphasizes the intermidiate and deep routes, while the West Coast system places more emphasis on the short passing game.

The Saints passing attack really resembles what Gillman and John Hadl were doning in the eArly-mid 60s, in that they have a more equal mix of the two concepts.

[milkman]

To the point that someone earlier regarding Norv Turner, there iw no way in hell that a risk averse QB like Smith excels in a system that relies on timing in the intermediate and deep passing game of Norv Turner's AC system.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by milkman

To the point that someone earlier regarding Norv Turner, there iw no way in hell that a risk averse QB like Smith excels in a system that relies on timing in the intermediate and deep passing game of Norv Turner's AC system.

In 2006, (Smith's 2nd season), Alex had a 56.85 comp % when throwing 21+ yards in Norv's system.

In 2005, (Schaub's 2nd season), Matt had a 50% comp % when throwing 21+ yards

In 2002, (Brees' 2nd season), Drew had a 59.25 comp % when throwing 21+ yards

In 2009, (Flacco's 2nd season), Joe had a 60.1 comp % when throwing 21+ yards

In 2009, (Ryan's 2nd season), Matt had a 58.7 comp % when throwing 21+ yards

In 2009, (Flacco's 2nd season), Joe had a 60.1 comp % when throwing 21+ yards


I mean, we are not talking huge differences here. You need to at least factor in that Alex had Kwame Harris at OT (possibly the worst OT in pass protecting history), and a bottom half pass protecting OL on the whole.

Also keep in mind, Alex's decent 2nd year was also better than that of HOF Troy Aikman's 2nd year... and Troy had a MUCH better supporting cast around him.

[milkman]

None of those other guys have ever shown any fear of making a mistake.
They've all shown confidence in their ability to make plays.

Alex Smith has shown that he is afraid, that he lacks confidence.

The confidence allowed those guys to grow and develop.

Smith's fear would have stunted his growth.

[Red Gorilla]

Originally Posted by milkman

None of those other guys have ever shown any fear of making a mistake.
They've all shown confidence in their ability to make plays.

Alex Smith has shown that he is afraid, that he lacks confidence.

The confidence allowed those guys to grow and develop.

Smith's fear would have stunted his growth.

I think he has grown as a player. The drive at the end of the playoff game was special. What about the shot he took from Polamalu a couple of weeks ago. He went on to complete the pass and finish the drive. That's leadership and he's not Cassel.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by milkman

None of those other guys have ever shown any fear of making a mistake.
They've all shown confidence in their ability to make plays.

Alex Smith has shown that he is afraid, that he lacks confidence.

The confidence allowed those guys to grow and develop.

Smith's fear would have stunted his growth.

All of this seems fair, if regarding the past... maybe even late into 2011.

From 2011 Saints playoff game and up to now? I don't think any of us can be sure of whether Alex will have such issues. The one thing that most have agreed to.. is that Alex is mentally resilient. I suspect that his confidence has grown significantly in what he can do.. and likely what Reid will encourage him to do. Now, he just needs his OL and downfield targets to elicit SOME trust from him by performing their jobs.

[Red Gorilla]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

All of this seems fair, if regarding the past... maybe even late into 2011.

From 2011 Saints playoff game and up to now? I don't think any of us can be sure of whether Alex will have such issues. The one thing that most have agreed to.. is that Alex is mentally resilient. I suspect that his confidence has grown significantly in what he can do.. and likely what Reid will encourage him to do. Now, he just needs his OL and downfield targets to elicit SOME trust from him by performing their jobs.

Good post man. He has grown as a player. It's rare that a guy grows much after three years but, he's an exception imo.

[Jakemall]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

You are WRONG! Again.

Crabs' numbers changed once Kaep took over.

How many 100 yard games did Crabs have with Alex beforehand (over the course of a good 30+ games)? I believe it was 2. He had 5 with Kaep (and a 93 yarder) in 5 games.

Shall we look at the playoffs production?

2012 playoffs
20 Receptions for 285 yards 3 TDs (Could have been 4...remember that goalline fumble in Atlanta?)

2011 playoffs
4Receptions for 25 yards 2 TDs

You'd have to be a blithering idiot to not see the difference between Crabs/Kaep and Crabs/Alex....

Troy Smith/ Crabs connection > Alex Crabs connection.

Crabs was on pace to have the same numbers he had last year with Alex under center. Those numbers took off when Kaep took over. Not only are you a fanboy but you're dishonest, too. The worst kind.

Who is dishonest?

Crabtree 2010 741 yards 6 tds
2011 874 yards 4 tds
2012 8 game split 440 yards 3 tds
So 16= 880 yards and 6 TDs.

At first blush, it really looks like you're correct. However, when you account for the injured hand (in which every receiver suffered on yards) it paints a different picture.

6 games 383 yards 3 tds = 16 games 1021 yards and 8tds.

Now, the only argument you can really make here is that I can't take those games out...go ahead...tell me how Alex's throwing hand injury had no impact on the 9ers ability to pass in those games. I'm all ears.

This is a perfect example of why stats are deceptive.

Instead of using stats, try to remember how everyone was saying how much better Crabtree was looking before Alex had his concussion.

[Kaepernick]

Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace

im sure it breaks your heart.

I just find it ironic that you guys keep bumping a thread titled Alex Smith did does and always will suck. I would think you guys would bump the Alex trade thread or Alex v. Geno. I don't care either way. I know Alex is a good QB who is a net plus for the Chiefs, but will never be the "top flight QB" that any team needs to get over the hump. That is why I would never want him on my team. As a 2 year placeholder mentoring a stud prospect, I would love him on my team.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Kaepernick

I just find it ironic that you guys keep bumping a thread titled Alex Smith did does and always will suck. I would think you guys would bump the Alex trade thread or Alex v. Geno. I don't care either way. I know Alex is a good QB who is a net plus for the Chiefs, but will never be the "top flight QB" that any team needs to get over the hump. That is why I would never want him on my team. As a 2 year placeholder mentoring a stud prospect, I would love him on my team.

I doubt any of us really care about the empty words of the thread title. They are just ignorant words that probably.. like they do for me, make others chuckle.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

I doubt any of us really care about the empty words of the thread title. They are just ignorant words that probably.. like they do for me, make others chuckle.

They are words of wisdom to live by.