Football Report: Orlando Brown requests trade from Ravens, wants to play LT - Page 13

Sofa King · 02-10-2021, 01:40 PM

Moving on from Fisher? Probably not.

Cap room for him? Not really, but moves could be made.

Draft capital for him? Maybe, but we're awfully low in the draft.

Tunsil trade (For record-keeping purposes, the trade saw the Dolphins acquire first-round picks in 2020 and 2021 and a second-round pick in 2021 along with offensive tackle Julién Davenport and defensive back Johnson Bademosi in exchange for Tunsil, wide receiver Kenny Stills, a 2020 fourth-round pick and a 2021 sixth-round selection.)

https://www.nfl.com/news/orlando-bro...nts-to-play-lt

It only took the Ravens a little over a year to learn their selection of Orlando Brown was a wise one, but they've met a new challenge with the tackle that could be their last.

Brown has expressed his desire to be traded, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Wednesday. After spending the majority of 2020 on the left side in place of the injured Ronnie Stanley, Brown has found his comfort zone and does not want to return to the right side. He'll only play for a team that will line him up at his preferred left tackle position, per Rapoport.

Rapoport added the Ravens value Brown significantly and would need major compensation in order to do a deal.

Brown's background is on the left side, but he ended up in Baltimore as a right tackle after a poor pre-draft showing saw him slide from a first-round projection to an eventual third-round pick of the Ravens. He blossomed in 2019 and especially in 2020 after switching to the left side to replace Stanley, earning his second straight trip to the Pro Bowl -- and first as an initial selection. Thanks to Brown's quick adjustment to the left side of the line, Baltimore didn't lose much in offensive production following Stanley's injury, finishing as the league's No. 1 rushing offense for a second straight season.

Brown's success on the left side and desire to remain there might very well also be tied to the financial ramifications of the tackle position. As it currently stands, there is a $5 million per year difference between the league's highest-paid right tackle (Philadelphia's Lane Johnson) and left tackle (Green Bay's David Bakhtiari). Of the top 10 highest-paid tackles in the NFL (in terms of average salary per year), only two -- Johnson and Las Vegas' Trent Brown -- are right tackles.

Orlando Brown missed out on significant money typically afforded to first-round picks right around the moment when he racked the bar after just 14 bench-press reps during a nightmarish 2018 NFL Scouting Combine. He's made a little over $1.8 million in base salary total in his first three seasons, and though he will see a significant boost in 2021 (base salary of $3.38 million) due to the structure of his rookie deal, that's still an incredibly far cry from where tackles of his level land in compensation ranking.

After demonstrating his ability to effectively handle the transition from right to left tackle -- a return to his roots, essentially -- Brown is in a prime position to capitalize financially and beyond. He'll maximize his earning potential by remaining a left tackle, and he'll probably enjoy playing the game a bit more in a stance and vantage point that's more familiar to him, anyway.

If that doesn't fit in Baltimore, the Ravens will have to move him. And though this isn't exactly the best way to ensure maximum leverage in a deal, they'll probably still get a haul for him.

smithandrew051 · 03-26-2021, 02:55 PM

Petro (love him or hate him) was against the Frank Clark trade from the very beginning, because it cost picks and major cap space. I remember him saying that instead of trading those picks for Frank Clark, go draft Frank Clark.

I have a similar thought here.

Brown was a third round pick. Bakhtiari was a 4th round pick. Schwartz was a second round pick. Ramczyk was pick 32. Terron Armstead was a 3rd round pick. Andrew Whitworth was a second round pick. Moton was a second round pick.

Instead of dumping all these assets into a supposed sure thing AND paying him big money, we need to go draft that guy.

Yes, I know it isn’t that easy to find these guys, but we knew the day that Mahomes was paid we would have to be that much better in the draft going forward.

If you can sign a Trent Williams, great. If not, we’ll need to invest through the draft and it’s very important that we don’t miss.

**Rain Man** · 03-26-2021, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

He's a 2 time Pro-bowler, and the kid from TX has top 20 measurables all-time for an OT according to his pro-day.

Neither player is average.

Say Baltimore is willing to accept #31 for Brown... Do you make the trade even though the top 5-8 OTs in 2021 draft are still available?

I think you do that deal, Probowler means top 5 OT in the league not just the draft, but that is also why he's prob worth more than just #31.

If he can play LT I'd give up the #31 in a heartbeat. Not so much for RT, though it seems like defenses and offenses are changing up to where I sometimes wonder if there's really that much difference any more.

ChiefBlueCFC · 03-26-2021, 03:12 PM

Were we a finalist to trade for this fat peace of shat yet

tredadda · 03-26-2021, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051

Petro (love him or hate him) was against the Frank Clark trade from the very beginning, because it cost picks and major cap space. I remember him saying that instead of trading those picks for Frank Clark, go draft Frank Clark.

I have a similar thought here.

Brown was a third round pick. Bakhtiari was a 4th round pick. Schwartz was a second round pick. Ramczyk was pick 32. Terron Armstead was a 3rd round pick. Andrew Whitworth was a second round pick. Moton was a second round pick.

Instead of dumping all these assets into a supposed sure thing AND paying him big money, we need to go draft that guy.

Yes, I know it isn’t that easy to find these guys, but we knew the day that Mahomes was paid we would have to be that much better in the draft going forward.

If you can sign a Trent Williams, great. If not, we’ll need to invest through the draft and it’s very important that we don’t miss.

We would literally have an all Madden Team if it were that easy. Plus these guys would have all been first rounders had hindsight been in play. I get saving assets, but a pick is not a guarantee to pan out either.

smithandrew051 · 03-26-2021, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

We would literally have an all Madden Team if it were that easy. Plus these guys would have all been first rounders had hindsight been in play. I get saving assets, but a pick is not a guarantee to pan out either.

I never said it was easy to find these guys, but they can be found in the late first, second, third, etc.

Sinking all of these assets into 1 player is very dangerous, especially when you have limited or devalued assets like we do (limited cap space and late picks in each round).

Throwing picks and big money at 1 player severely limits what other positions we can address. If we make a move like that, he has to play at a very high level and be extremely durable. Practically any other scenario means we made a bad move by doing so.

Hoover · 03-26-2021, 03:38 PM

I'd use our 1st rounder on whatever we want, then try to deal our second this year and a conditional pick in 2022 for the dudel

Couch-Potato · 03-26-2021, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoover

I'd use our 1st rounder on whatever we want, then try to deal our second this year and a conditional pick in 2022 for the dudel

I agree. Let the first round pass on Brown, we grab a weapon like Rousseau or Tony, and THEN call Balt to pursue a deal. Offer a 2nd, but if it's 2021's #32 pick they have-to-have, well fine, we're getting a pro bowl (= ~top 5 OT) in return + an exciting 1st rd pick this yr.

Chris Meck · 03-26-2021, 03:46 PM

sometimes guys fall because of their measurables. Sometimes they fall because they played subpar competition. Sometimes they fall due to an injury.

This year was a plague year and lots of guys didn't play at all, or barely played.

I'll take a smart kid with the top flight measurables and trust my SB caliber coaching staff to get a good player out of him, but that's just me.

Little, Radunz, or Brown at #63 along with a stop-gap and get on with our lives.

htismaqe · 03-27-2021, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Mostly at RT. Not a fan of giving a 1 and a new deal to him when we can get a better LT in the draft.

That’s not a given of course. Not that I’m suggesting it’s a great idea but if you’re trading high picks, Brown has a much better chance of playing to that cost than a draft pick does.

Couch-Potato · 03-29-2021, 10:27 PM

Curious why OP compares Brown to Tunsil? Wasn't Tunsil a 1st RD LT and Brown a 3rd RD RT?

**New World Order** · 03-29-2021, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

Curious why OP compares Brown to Tunsil? Wasn't Tunsil a 1st RD LT and Brown a 3rd RD RT?

So what you're trying to say is Brown was really a Couch Potato compared to Tunsil coming out of college?

Couch-Potato · 03-29-2021, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

So what you're trying to say is Brown was really a Couch Potato compared to Tunsil coming out of college?

No, I'm trying to understand what the price would be in a trade and I'm wondering if he could be had for less than Tunsil.

**BossChief** · 03-29-2021, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

No, I'm trying to understand what the price would be in a trade and I'm wondering if he could be had for less than Tunsil.

We will likely know within 48 hours of the draft.

Couch-Potato · 03-30-2021, 12:08 AM

How about 2021 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th + 2022 1st?

Less than Tunsil, we get our LT, we have 8 picks this year and can afford to package several for an elite player.

duncan_idaho · 03-30-2021, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

How about 2021 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th + 2022 1st?

Less than Tunsil, we get our LT, we have 8 picks this year and can afford to package several for an elite player.

The LAST thing I want to do is trade the Ravens 4 picks in a really good/deep draft AND next year’s first.

Way, way too much.

02-10-2021, 01:40 PM
Sofa King Hello Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South Dakota Casino cash: $792096 VARSITY	Report: Orlando Brown requests trade from Ravens, wants to play LT Moving on from Fisher? Probably not. Cap room for him? Not really, but moves could be made. Draft capital for him? Maybe, but we're awfully low in the draft. Tunsil trade (For record-keeping purposes, the trade saw the Dolphins acquire first-round picks in 2020 and 2021 and a second-round pick in 2021 along with offensive tackle Julién Davenport and defensive back Johnson Bademosi in exchange for Tunsil, wide receiver Kenny Stills, a 2020 fourth-round pick and a 2021 sixth-round selection.) https://www.nfl.com/news/orlando-bro...nts-to-play-lt It only took the Ravens a little over a year to learn their selection of Orlando Brown was a wise one, but they've met a new challenge with the tackle that could be their last. Brown has expressed his desire to be traded, NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport reported Wednesday. After spending the majority of 2020 on the left side in place of the injured Ronnie Stanley, Brown has found his comfort zone and does not want to return to the right side. He'll only play for a team that will line him up at his preferred left tackle position, per Rapoport. Rapoport added the Ravens value Brown significantly and would need major compensation in order to do a deal. Brown's background is on the left side, but he ended up in Baltimore as a right tackle after a poor pre-draft showing saw him slide from a first-round projection to an eventual third-round pick of the Ravens. He blossomed in 2019 and especially in 2020 after switching to the left side to replace Stanley, earning his second straight trip to the Pro Bowl -- and first as an initial selection. Thanks to Brown's quick adjustment to the left side of the line, Baltimore didn't lose much in offensive production following Stanley's injury, finishing as the league's No. 1 rushing offense for a second straight season. Brown's success on the left side and desire to remain there might very well also be tied to the financial ramifications of the tackle position. As it currently stands, there is a $5 million per year difference between the league's highest-paid right tackle (Philadelphia's Lane Johnson) and left tackle (Green Bay's David Bakhtiari). Of the top 10 highest-paid tackles in the NFL (in terms of average salary per year), only two -- Johnson and Las Vegas' Trent Brown -- are right tackles. Orlando Brown missed out on significant money typically afforded to first-round picks right around the moment when he racked the bar after just 14 bench-press reps during a nightmarish 2018 NFL Scouting Combine. He's made a little over $1.8 million in base salary total in his first three seasons, and though he will see a significant boost in 2021 (base salary of $3.38 million) due to the structure of his rookie deal, that's still an incredibly far cry from where tackles of his level land in compensation ranking. After demonstrating his ability to effectively handle the transition from right to left tackle -- a return to his roots, essentially -- Brown is in a prime position to capitalize financially and beyond. He'll maximize his earning potential by remaining a left tackle, and he'll probably enjoy playing the game a bit more in a stance and vantage point that's more familiar to him, anyway. If that doesn't fit in Baltimore, the Ravens will have to move him. And though this isn't exactly the best way to ensure maximum leverage in a deal, they'll probably still get a haul for him.
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