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Old 09-14-2012, 08:18 PM   #1
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No freakin Chicanos. Google hates Mexicans. It's a chip on your phone that alerts you to their presence and sets off an alarm. It's really starting to take off. Racists!

ok ok.. it's Near Field Communications.. it's a chip that let's your phone communicate securely with nearby readers... like those PAYPASS things you see at most gas pumps. So, if you have Google Wallet, you can register any number of credit cards and then just "swipe" your phone by a pad and pay for things. The plan is for it to not only handle purchases Like it does now, but also mass transit ticketing, sports tickets, loyalty cards, etc etc

It also ties into GPS to let special offers show up when you are near a specific spot or your Chiefs ticket popup when you reach teh stadium.. etc etc

The tech is in place and working but they need to get more info out about it and more end points on line.
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:37 PM   #2
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If I'm going to make the point, I guess I should describe it. I think Apple's Passbook is a brilliant idea - it just fails in the implementation. QR codes are a sloppy way to do these things. Have you ever tried to use one at the airport on your phone? It's very hit or miss. Handing your phone to someone and trying to get it to scan is very awkward.

I understand why Apple did it though. The infrastructure for NFC + tickets just isn't there. You can't partner with people that don't have the hardware to support what you're doing. It's disappointing to see Apple stand back instead of forcing the market forward; they could have done NFC + QR. That'll come next, I'm sure.

But the idea itself is great. I'm sure I have up to a dozen or two contactless cards for various things. And it's such a pain in the ass keeping them around and up to date I normally just buy a new one. Tickets are the same way. Not so much here, but in Europe you don't typically get "season tickets", you get a "season ticket card".

I know this is an Apple thread, and I hope they're thinking about it. Because Apple has the power to make it happen. I hope Google is too - they should invest in helping companies deploy NFC, because they could make a killing and beat the market. I worry a bit that it's going to go the proprietary route ("get in with your S III!"), but I hope not.
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Old 09-14-2012, 09:50 PM   #3
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btw.. here is another cool implementation of NFC http://www.samsung.com/us/microsite/tectile/ Even though it's made by Samsung it's not really proprietary. Here's Sony's version.. http://www.sonymobile.com/gb/product...ria-smarttags/

You are right that the biggest hurdle right now is getting NFC adoption rates to be higher... BUT considering that the hardware is just recently hitting the market here in the USA it's hard to say how fast or slow it will take based on current rates. We'll know a lot more this time next year.

In Japan and Europe they are pretty far ahead already.. for example.. 11,500 post offices in Europe already use the tech.

http://www.slashgear.com/mobile-nfc-...ices-31231134/

Oh and it isn't just Google Wallet. in Austin we also have ISIS although it is lagging far behind Google.. it is basically the same thing just a different app.. which is fine by me. I doubt most consumers care which app they use. In the end Isis is gonna have a TOUGH time keeping up with Google for usability though.

http://www.paywithisis.com/whatis.xhtml
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:20 PM   #4
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In Japan and Europe they are pretty far ahead already.. for example.. 11,500 post offices in Europe already use the tech.
Europe actually struggles too. But they standardize quicker than we do, so hopefully soon. There is no reason the Oyster card in London shouldn't be phone capable. Everywhere else, I have doubts...

In Italy, you have people on the trains that physically check your ticket. On the buses, they do random inspections. In Spain, I'm sure they make a killing off people buying the t10 and losing them (ie me). France, same thing. I've lost that damn skinny ticket so often, or it just doesn't work.

You can still do the random checks with cards - in London they do - but you have to have the technology. And they are all so unionized it's going to take awhile to change.

Even in Chile and Argentina, where you have contactless cards, you still have to go some place to put money on it. ****ing maddening. But they have jobs they have too keep for those reasons.

It's going to take a long time to get this out. And we'll run into the same problems here. Asia is a bit different...
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:07 PM   #5
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ISIS is the carrier version - that's the name I couldn't think of earlier. It'll do fine as long as everyone not named Sprint keeps Google off their network. Unless Google than decides to make Wallet a requirement to run proprietary Google apps. We shall see.
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Old 09-14-2012, 10:57 PM   #6
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ISIS is the carrier version - that's the name I couldn't think of earlier. It'll do fine as long as everyone not named Sprint keeps Google off their network. Unless Google then decides to make Wallet a requirement to run proprietary Google apps. We shall see.
Yep, I see no reason we can't have both. I think Google may start to push harder to get carriers to at least let people download it if they want to. It will all play out heavily over 2013.

I think the next big thing will be to see if Google can get one of the big ticket brokers on board. I know Ticketmaster is playing around with NFC now.. not sure if it will be Wallet or Isis or both. And as I pointed out, New Jersey is doing it now for busses. So, you know, Snooki is covered.
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Old 09-15-2012, 12:14 AM   #7
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Am I the only one that doesn't like thin phones? The thinner they are the more prone they are to drop and its just awkward fiddling around with them. After I got the extended battery for my Evo I actually liked the thicker phone. I've played with the SII and it is annoyingly thin.
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Old 09-15-2012, 12:37 AM   #8
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Am I the only one that doesn't like thin phones? The thinner they are the more prone they are to drop and its just awkward fiddling around with them. After I got the extended battery for my Evo I actually liked the thicker phone. I've played with the SII and it is annoyingly thin.
Just wait until they're the size of a microchip. Then you'll really hate them.

Cell phones should require some type of tool belt.
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Old 09-15-2012, 12:40 AM   #9
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Just wait until they're the size of a microchip. Then you'll really hate them.

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Old 09-15-2012, 01:48 AM   #10
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Am I the only one that doesn't like thin phones? The thinner they are the more prone they are to drop and its just awkward fiddling around with them. After I got the extended battery for my Evo I actually liked the thicker phone. I've played with the SII and it is annoyingly thin.
Yeah, I bought a S3 tonight and I was totally surprised at how thin it was. I bought a case because I am pretty prone to dropping shit and I also wanted to add a bit of thickness and weight to the phone. It's still goddamn slick though. I can't believe a phone this big fits so well in my pocket and is so light.

That being said; I don't feel like I need to carry a brick around in my pocket so I don't drop it. It'll take a bit of adjusting; but I'm sure handling this phone will be no problem.
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Old 09-15-2012, 07:27 AM   #11
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Am I the only one that doesn't like thin phones? The thinner they are the more prone they are to drop and its just awkward fiddling around with them. After I got the extended battery for my Evo I actually liked the thicker phone. I've played with the SII and it is annoyingly thin.
You really might be the only one that wants to carry around a phone that needs a case manufactured by LL Bean to support it.
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Old 09-15-2012, 07:28 AM   #13
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I preordered the phone early Friday morning and I'll get it on first shipment. Wife is getting one as well since her 3Gs needs a massive upgrade. If Amazon wasn't going to give me 395 for my 4s, I would have held off.
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Old 09-21-2012, 03:41 PM   #14
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Picked up my Iphone today at the Sprint Store off 135th and Blackbob. Pretty sweet phone thus far, I'm coming off an EVO 4G, first edition, and this thing blazes by it as most phones nowadays would I suppose. The thing that pissed me off is that they only had 64GB Black phones, and everything else was in white that was in stock and I had heard there was about 100 people outside the Apple store so F going somewhere else when I was fourth in line.

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It is light... holy shit is it light. Get a case to heavy it up.

The screen doesnt seem to be made out of the same stuff my Ipad 3 screen is so it takes some more wipes from the cloth to get out smudges, but just a few more.

Pictures are amazing and so is video and the fact that I can now just click and share to facebook easier than before makes it a very nice edition.

The overall thing is that who cares is you like Apple or who cares if you like Android, do what you do. I had the first generation Iphone, thing was awesome for the 2 years I had it, I then went to the EVO 4G for the past 2.5 years, and now I'm back to Iphone. Honestly this phone is a bit on the small side, so I'm sure when my contract is up again I'll go back to Andriod, one of their huge phones probably. I'm happy with my purchase, I know it'll have some little nuances, but I was due for an upgrade and this was the phone that was new at the time so I snagged it.
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The overall thing is that who cares is you like Apple or who cares if you like Android, do what you do. I had the first generation Iphone, thing was awesome for the 2 years I had it, I then went to the EVO 4G for the past 2.5 years, and now I'm back to Iphone. Honestly this phone is a bit on the small side, so I'm sure when my contract is up again I'll go back to Andriod, one of their huge phones probably. I'm happy with my purchase, I know it'll have some little nuances, but I was due for an upgrade and this was the phone that was new at the time so I snagged it.
For me personally, this phone is superior to any Android phone I had. I can't picture ever going back. Yes, I understand some features on Android are better. However, I just think the 5 is superior to any cell that I would use in my every day life.
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