If you saw The Last Jedi in the theater do you plan on seeing The Rise of Skywalker?

[ScareCrowe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There’s a good and compelling movie in there but it got lost in the edit bay.

All of the deleted scenes should have been included as well.

I actually re-watched TLJ last night (only the 3rd time I've watched it which says a lot) and honestly it wasn't as bad as I had built it up in my head. Honestly just get rid of the casino part & replace the Luke force ghost in the end with Luke actually fighting Kylo, besting him & then refusing to kill him only to have Kylo betray him in some way & kill Luke.

Maybe spend some time on explaining Snoke before you kill him, and get rid of the scene where Kylo tells Rey about her parents to keep that thread going as a pull into the next movie. Which was one of the big problems with TLJ, IMO, that it killed all the mysteries set up by TFA, effectively killing momentum into the next film.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by ScareCrowe

I actually re-watched TLJ last night (only the 3rd time I've watched it which says a lot) and honestly it wasn't as bad as I had built it up in my head. Honestly just get rid of the casino part & replace the Luke force ghost in the end with Luke actually fighting Kylo, besting him & then refusing to kill him only to have Kylo betray him in some way & kill Luke.

Maybe spend some time on explaining Snoke before you kill him, and get rid of the scene where Kylo tells Rey about her parents to keep that thread going as a pull into the next movie. Which was one of the big problems with TLJ, IMO, that it killed all the mysteries set up by TFA, effectively killing momentum into the next film.

So basically, if they just redid the entire movie, it would have been good?

[ScareCrowe]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

So basically, if they just redid the entire movie, it would have been good?

LOL replacing Canto Blight with a little Snoke backstory & making Luke physically fight Kylo instead of a force ghost dodge fest is hardly changing the whole movie.

The movie would still have issues, but it would have satisfied a lot more of the fanbase IMO. Granted there will always be a portion of the fanbase that won't be happy unless their headcannon makes it onto the screen. But IMO the biggest thing most Star Wars fans wanted out of a sequel trilogy was to see Luke fight as a true jedi master.

They basically sidelined him in VII & he never actually even turns on a lightsaber that I can remember in VIII before they kill him off. I think the only time he touches one in the entire trilogy will be when he tosses it over his shoulder. Just a failure to give the people what they wanted, they had a lot of freedom to do different things. There are a few notes that need to be hit in Star Wars films & they missed too many of them IMO. Simple small changes could have made a huge difference in VII & VIII, haven't seen IX yet so can't comment on that.

[DJ's left nut]

I re-watched Rogue One last night.

One thing I didn't care for that I perhaps didn't notice the first time was (unexpectedly) the score. And maybe it was just a cognitive dissonance thing. They just did the "HERE'S A STAR WARS CHORD!!!!....and a bunch of new stuff" thing too often.

I kinda got to a fish or cut bait moment. Either maintain the 'OT Score' or scrap it.

I think a lot of people thought is was great, but for me I found it taking me out of the movie more often than I expected.

And how cool was pile-driving the star destroyer through the shield gate?

And you mentioned Mendelsohn - I still love that they didn't give him the 'high class' british accent. Lucas always kinda established that the Empire baddies had their polished 'proper' accents and it made them seem aloof; they were clearly raised in this and carried themselves as such. Whereas Mendelsohn, by not having that refined accent, establishes himself as an almost working class underdog. For the history nerds, he gave off a real 'Provincial Commission vs. Regular Commission' from the British army in the Pre-Revolutionary era vibe. A provincial Colonial still had to defer to a regular Captain and that rankled the hell out of a lot of guys (including Washington and Gates - had the British not been so high handed with their provincial officers, we likely don't have our highest ranking officers).

Krennic just seems so obviously frustrated by the 'aristocracy' of the Empire and his frustrations in gaining status that he overreaches. Mendelsohn's more blue collar accent and mannerisms do a fantastic job of getting that conveyed to the audience. My memory is that I read it was an active choice on his part to rough up the accent a bit to add to the character and if that was his contribution, it really was a great little wrinkle.

[Chiefspants]

I agree about the music overall - but they absolutely nailed the score for Vader's scene. That score nailed the horror of that build-up and that absolute slaughter that followed.

[Hammock Parties]

Imagine that dude playing a more interesting bad guy than the entirety of the sequel trilogy

they really ****ed up giving JJ the keys to the big show

[Hammock Parties]

One thing about the score from Rogue One is that THIS is amazing:

[Talisman]

So Episode IX is getting 58% on Rotten Tomatoes. Ouch. I was thinking, man, if the critics dislike this one so much, how bad did they pan The Last Jedi? They gave it... 91%. Uh.

How much of the bad reviews for The Rise of Skywalker are critics hearing the fan base complain about The Last Jedi for two years and allowing that to affect their opinion?

[Hammock Parties]

None.

The Last Jedi is a better film. Better script, better acting, better plot.

Fans are divided because they didn't get deus ex machina badass Luke and there was some uncomfortable business with Canto Bight.

Whatever - it pales in comparison to hamfisted rehashed Jar Jar Abrams garbage.

I will always remember The Last Jedi as the slightly flawed, but very enjoyable beginning of what could have been wrapped into a very interesting and satisfying end at the hands of someone who wanted to put some effort into filmmaking.

Instead, we got sheer laziness borne out of panic.

"Um, they didn't like it when we tried something new so um....OLD SHIT IN A NEW WRAPPER! YEAH!"

Well, way to annoy the people who actually know what good filmmaking looks like and hardcore fans who know better.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

None.

The Last Jedi is a better film. Better script, better acting, better plot.

Fans are divided because they didn't get deus ex machina badass Luke and there was some uncomfortable business with Canto Bight.

Whatever - it pales in comparison to hamfisted rehashed Jar Jar Abrams garbage.

I will always remember The Last Jedi as the slightly flawed, but very enjoyable beginning of what could have been wrapped into a very interesting and satisfying end at the hands of someone who wanted to put some effort into filmmaking.

Instead, we got sheer laziness borne out of panic.

"Um, they didn't like it when we tried something new so um....OLD SHIT IN A NEW WRAPPER! YEAH!"

Well, way to annoy the people who actually know what good filmmaking looks like and hardcore fans who know better.

+1

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

None.

The Last Jedi is a better film. Better script, better acting, better plot.

Fans are divided because they didn't get deus ex machina badass Luke and there was some uncomfortable business with Canto Bight.

Whatever - it pales in comparison to hamfisted rehashed Jar Jar Abrams garbage.

I will always remember The Last Jedi as the slightly flawed, but very enjoyable beginning of what could have been wrapped into a very interesting and satisfying end at the hands of someone who wanted to put some effort into filmmaking.

Instead, we got sheer laziness borne out of panic.

"Um, they didn't like it when we tried something new so um....OLD SHIT IN A NEW WRAPPER! YEAH!"

Well, way to annoy the people who actually know what good filmmaking looks like and hardcore fans who know better.

Yeah, there's a lot more wrong with that film than just that.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Yeah, there's a lot more wrong with that film than just that.

That's a matter of opinion. Some people hate the Holdo maneuver, I personally ****ing love it.

But objectively speaking, it is a more well made film than Episode IX.

At least it's ****ing paced correctly.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

That's a matter of opinion. Some people hate the Holdo maneuver, I personally ****ing love it.

But objectively speaking, it is a more well made film than Episode IX.

At least it's ****ing paced correctly.

Sure it is, which is why you trying to discredit the criticisms people had as "Luke wasn't a badass" and "Canto Bight" was ****ing ridiculous.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Sure it is, which is why you trying to discredit the criticisms people had as "Luke wasn't a badass" and "Canto Bight" was ****ing ridiculous.

I'm not trying to discredit anything.

Those are the largest issues with the film.

Anything else is largely extremely subjective.

[ScareCrowe]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Yeah, there's a lot more wrong with that film than just that.

LOL no kidding, I'm not as harsh as a lot of people but that's really glossing over the warts of TLJ. The other problem with that theory is that TFA which is also considered rehashed JJ garbage by many actually has a higher Rotten Tomatoes rating than TLJ.