I love football - Page 13

**luv** · 04-29-2007, 11:15 PM

The more I learn about it, the more I love it. I never knew how complex it was. This is the first year that I've gotten into the draft, and it's made it that much more exciting. I so can't wait for the season to start!

Oh, and thanks to those I have driven crazy with questions. You know who you are. I appreciate it.

Direckshun · 05-12-2007, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

You always seem to think ahead to what my next question will be, and you answer it before I ask.

I just like full explanations. Can't stand it when people give me half answers to shit I want to know.

Any opportunity I can take as a Chiefs fan to breed other Chiefs fans into a proper broth of football madness, I'm there.

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-12-2007, 10:32 PM

Chicks who love football = Ubersexy

**luv** · 05-12-2007, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

When I played football, we ran the split T formation and the wide receiver didn't exist. Would you like to know where the WR came from? OK, stay tuned. In 1959, a cadet called Bill Carpenter was the "Lonesome End" in a unique offense employed by Army. He just stayed out near the sideline on the wide side of the field. He rarely came back to the huddle. The "D" had to put a guy out there on him (the birth of the cornerback?) The concept worked so well that other teams started splitting the WR's out wide. Carpenter is now a Brigadier General who won the Silver Star for bringing in napalm on his own troops in Vietnam when it appeared his position would be overrun.

Very cool information to know. History is very important to fully understanding the game. I appreciate it.

**Easy 6** · 05-12-2007, 10:36 PM

I cant wait to actually have some active football to talk about, camp, pre-season...anything.

Even to just be able to hear about Kyle Turley spouting off about how BAD-ASS he looked in practice...

Bring it on.

Direckshun · 05-12-2007, 10:42 PM

I want to let you in on something really quick while we're on the topic of offensive backs. Give you a real quick rundown of the backs we have on our offense:

Larry Johnson RB

You're well familiar with this gent. He's one of the NFL's elite runners, a true power back. However, for all his talent running, he's only an "okay" receiver out of the backfield, and he's a god-awful blocker on pass plays. Hopefully it's something he's working on.

Michael Bennett RB

Bennett's our backup RB to LJ. He's an accomplished guy, we traded to acquire him not long after he had a 1,000 yard season in Minnesota. But he's got a history getting injured over and over -- just like he did last season. He's still a very solid runner, so if he stays healthy, we'll see a lot of him this year. He's no where near the power runner LJ is, he's more of an agility runner -- making him a good change of pace in the backfield. (Some will call him a "change of pace back.")

Kolby Smith RB

We drafted Smith this year in the 5th round because when Bennett got hurt, we had a bunch of shitty guys left to back up LJ. As a result, LJ carries the ball a record number of times. Smith is our insurance for Bennett. He's called an "all purpose back" because he does everything you need him to (told you there were lots of reeruned terms). He's a jack of all trades -- blocking, receiving, running -- but a king of none.

Kris "Bigfoot" Wilson FB

The Chiefs do not have a "true" FB, meaning we have zero people on the team that were picked up because they play FB. We had one last season, Ronnie Cruz, but he got injured and was out for the season. Bigfoot was drafted as a TE, but we converted him to FB, and he earned the starting position (and he'll likely have it this year). He's not a mauler, but he's a decent blocker -- certainly his best quality is that he's a receiving threat any time we pass. He's a great "check down" receiver and we had a lot of success using him that way.

Boomer Grigsby FB

Here's another FB we have that we converted from another position. Grigsby's a LB that's been great on special teams but has had trouble cracking the lineup. Herm wants him on the team because he's a scrapper, so he switched this short, stocky dude to FB. Grigsby's going to specialize in blocking, especially in goal line situations when the entire defense is lining up against your OL. As you can imagine, he's probably not a great receiver.

milkman · 05-12-2007, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

"Scat back" is just a term for the Tomlinson's who are small, fast, and elusive. "Power backs" are guys like LJ who want to run over you.

Actually Tomlinson (and guys like Marshall Faulk and Walter Payton before him) really isn't (aren't) Scatback(s).

They have that rare combination of speed, elusiveness and power that separates them, and excludes them from being labeled.

Guys like Mercury Morris, Kevin Faulk, and Michael Bennett are scatbacks.

Direckshun · 05-12-2007, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Actually Tomlinson really isn't a scatback.

They have that rare combination of speed, elusiveness and power that separates them, and excludes them from being labeled.

That's very true.

I remember he stiff-armed Wesley to get a TD when we played him in San Diego.

ChiefaRoo · 05-12-2007, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

"I envy you - taking these first steps into a new frontier."

Jesus, now the gay virgin is quoting Star Trek to a girl.

Direckshun · 05-12-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo

Jesus, now the gay virgin is quoting Star Trek to a girl.

I envy him, taking those first steps into a new frontier.

keg in kc · 05-12-2007, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Any opportunity I can take as a Chiefs fan to breed other Chiefs fans

I think you just got an offer, luv.

**luv** · 05-12-2007, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Kris "Bigfoot" Wilson FB

The Chiefs do not have a "true" FB, meaning we have zero people on the team that were picked up because they play FB. We had one last season, Ronnie Cruz, but he got injured and was out for the season. Bigfoot was drafted as a TE, but we converted him to FB, and he earned the starting position (and he'll likely have it this year). He's not a mauler, but he's a decent blocker -- certainly his best quality is that he's a receiving threat any time we pass. He's a great "check down" receiver and we had a lot of success using him that way.

SO whatever happened with Cruz?

Direckshun · 05-12-2007, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by luv

SO whatever happened with Cruz?

There's conflicting accounts.

He's listed as "released" in some databases that keep track of those things. Others have him on the roster. But the Chiefs themselves have never announced anything with him one way or the other.

If he's back, he's competing against a very versatile FB in Wilson, who helped us a lot last year, and Grigsby, who's obviously a favorite of the Chiefs organization.

I wouldn't have money on Cruz being on the Chiefs next year -- and if he was, I doubt we'd see him anywhere other than special teams.

Direckshun · 05-12-2007, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I think you just got an offer, luv.

I meant genetic breeding. I'm a geneticist.

If you want a child with Chiefs red & gold skin, I'm your man.

keg in kc · 05-12-2007, 11:01 PM

Scatback is really not a term I hear all that much these days.

Generally you hear speed oriented guys referred to as change of pace backs or third down backs, although some teams prefer a bigger, blocking back along the lines of Kimble Anders or Tony Richardson (in other words, a fullback...) in the 3rd down role, because they're better in pass protection than smaller backs.

Either way, we're talking about backup runningbacks, however you want to label them...

keg in kc · 05-12-2007, 11:02 PM

Since Cruz isn't on the roster, I think it's safe to say he's gone.

04-29-2007, 11:15 PM
luv You think you can get by this? Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Springfield, MO Casino cash: $-1270000	I love football The more I learn about it, the more I love it. I never knew how complex it was. This is the first year that I've gotten into the draft, and it's made it that much more exciting. I so can't wait for the season to start! Oh, and thanks to those I have driven crazy with questions. You know who you are. I appreciate it.
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05-12-2007, 10:36 PM	#184
Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $-252225	I cant wait to actually have some active football to talk about, camp, pre-season...anything. Even to just be able to hear about Kyle Turley spouting off about how BAD-ASS he looked in practice... Bring it on.
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05-12-2007, 10:42 PM	#185
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2033447	I want to let you in on something really quick while we're on the topic of offensive backs. Give you a real quick rundown of the backs we have on our offense: Larry Johnson RB You're well familiar with this gent. He's one of the NFL's elite runners, a true power back. However, for all his talent running, he's only an "okay" receiver out of the backfield, and he's a god-awful blocker on pass plays. Hopefully it's something he's working on. Michael Bennett RB Bennett's our backup RB to LJ. He's an accomplished guy, we traded to acquire him not long after he had a 1,000 yard season in Minnesota. But he's got a history getting injured over and over -- just like he did last season. He's still a very solid runner, so if he stays healthy, we'll see a lot of him this year. He's no where near the power runner LJ is, he's more of an agility runner -- making him a good change of pace in the backfield. (Some will call him a "change of pace back.") Kolby Smith RB We drafted Smith this year in the 5th round because when Bennett got hurt, we had a bunch of shitty guys left to back up LJ. As a result, LJ carries the ball a record number of times. Smith is our insurance for Bennett. He's called an "all purpose back" because he does everything you need him to (told you there were lots of reeruned terms). He's a jack of all trades -- blocking, receiving, running -- but a king of none. Kris "Bigfoot" Wilson FB The Chiefs do not have a "true" FB, meaning we have zero people on the team that were picked up because they play FB. We had one last season, Ronnie Cruz, but he got injured and was out for the season. Bigfoot was drafted as a TE, but we converted him to FB, and he earned the starting position (and he'll likely have it this year). He's not a mauler, but he's a decent blocker -- certainly his best quality is that he's a receiving threat any time we pass. He's a great "check down" receiver and we had a lot of success using him that way. Boomer Grigsby FB Here's another FB we have that we converted from another position. Grigsby's a LB that's been great on special teams but has had trouble cracking the lineup. Herm wants him on the team because he's a scrapper, so he switched this short, stocky dude to FB. Grigsby's going to specialize in blocking, especially in goal line situations when the entire defense is lining up against your OL. As you can imagine, he's probably not a great receiver.
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05-12-2007, 11:01 PM	#194
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Scatback is really not a term I hear all that much these days. Generally you hear speed oriented guys referred to as change of pace backs or third down backs, although some teams prefer a bigger, blocking back along the lines of Kimble Anders or Tony Richardson (in other words, a fullback...) in the 3rd down role, because they're better in pass protection than smaller backs. Either way, we're talking about backup runningbacks, however you want to label them...
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05-12-2007, 11:02 PM	#195
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Since Cruz isn't on the roster, I think it's safe to say he's gone.
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