Chiefs Possible Chiefs\Saints trade - Page 13

C-Mac · 04-25-2008, 09:22 AM

McShay's blog...

DE Chris Long will be the Chiefs' pick if he's available, but should he be off the board Kansas City will want to retreat. swapping first-round picks with New Orleans and bringing [Jamaal]Brown into the fold would be an attractive scenario, as the Chiefs could then opt for another offensive lineman at No. 10 or get a much better value on their preferred defensive end, Derrick Harvey. And don't forget that extra picks beyond the swap of first-rounders would likely be included as well, so this would be a hard deal for Kansas City to turn down.

Mecca · 04-25-2008, 09:43 PM

If he's only good for a few more years that's a no go, this team won't be ready for a few years.

Brock · 04-25-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tiptap

It is not a long term LT solution. I think it is worth considering. I would do it.

You're insane. If it's not a long term solution, there is absolutely no reason to do it, especially not at the cost of 5 spots in the draft at the top of the first round. No.

No.

tiptap · 04-25-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If he's only good for a few more years that's a no go, this team won't be ready for a few years.

That is at the worst. And all selections are speculative against injuries in the long run. The known is the high caliber of play when he is on the line.

tk13 · 04-25-2008, 09:52 PM

Logically speaking, if you trusted your scouting department, this is a trade you probably should make. Because, no matter the 8 billion mock draft possibilities... there is going to be someone that everybody thinks is really good who somehow slips down to that 10 spot. It happens every single year.

That doesn't mean I think we should trade down, there might be a player we really really want who we should just target at 5 that we think is going to be a HOF type game changer, you can't pass that up. But if they aren't there, a really good scouting department would probably make this trade and totally annihilate this draft. If you could get Brown, a 3rd, and a 6th/7th....you could literally be adding 15-16 new players to the team this weekend. That is incredible. If you do it right, you'd shorten the "rebuilding" process quite a bit.

Mecca · 04-25-2008, 09:53 PM

If you trade to 10 you start praying to god that Keith Rivers drops to 10....

JBucc · 04-25-2008, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If you trade to 10 you start praying to god that Keith Rivers drops to 10....

Gosselin has us taking him at 17

Mecca · 04-25-2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JBucc

Gosselin has us taking him at 17

I will be SHOCKED if he falls that far.

HolmeZz · 04-25-2008, 10:28 PM

Rivers is overrated. If we're going to go linebacker, Mayo's the better player.

Mecca · 04-25-2008, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Rivers is overrated. If we're going to go linebacker, Mayo's the better player.

I fully disagree with that.....

I guess as a LB being scheme disciplined wildly talented, excellent in coverage and very smart is overrated.

HolmeZz · 04-25-2008, 10:38 PM

Good tackler, not wildly talented, and I don't think he's fluid enough to be anywhere near as good in coverage at the next level. He doesn't play with the athleticism that I want if you're taking an LB that early. He doesn't wreck havoc on an offense.

Mecca · 04-25-2008, 10:40 PM

If you really think Rivers isn't athletic I have nothing to say really, I've only seen him play all of his college games but hey to each their own.

Mecca · 04-25-2008, 10:42 PM

I'll add on here, Rivers for all that I've seen in him reminds me alot of Keith Bulluck....

HolmeZz · 04-25-2008, 10:47 PM

I'm not saying he's awful. I'd say he's more of a really really poor man's Derrick Brooks(past his prime), just nowhere near the playmaker.

Mecca · 04-25-2008, 10:49 PM

Here's what I want to know honest question....Rivers has always been well thought of because of his play, he worked out at what you'd expect..

Mayo was a 2nd-3rd guy then he works out and all of the sudden he's better than Keith Rivers?

I'm sorry I watch Tennessee play and Mayo is not the same player Rivers is, Mayo may be trendy cause he's rising when Rivers has always been there but he isn't as good not in my book.

Mecca · 04-25-2008, 10:51 PM

Also I generally have no issue with your draft takes but I never ever thought I'd have to defend the athletic talent of Keith Rivers, honestly it makes me wonder how many times you've seen him play.

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04-25-2008, 09:43 PM	#181
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	If he's only good for a few more years that's a no go, this team won't be ready for a few years.
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04-25-2008, 09:52 PM	#184
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1937500	Logically speaking, if you trusted your scouting department, this is a trade you probably should make. Because, no matter the 8 billion mock draft possibilities... there is going to be someone that everybody thinks is really good who somehow slips down to that 10 spot. It happens every single year. That doesn't mean I think we should trade down, there might be a player we really really want who we should just target at 5 that we think is going to be a HOF type game changer, you can't pass that up. But if they aren't there, a really good scouting department would probably make this trade and totally annihilate this draft. If you could get Brown, a 3rd, and a 6th/7th....you could literally be adding 15-16 new players to the team this weekend. That is incredible. If you do it right, you'd shorten the "rebuilding" process quite a bit.
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04-25-2008, 09:53 PM	#185
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	If you trade to 10 you start praying to god that Keith Rivers drops to 10....
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04-25-2008, 10:28 PM	#188
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	Rivers is overrated. If we're going to go linebacker, Mayo's the better player.
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04-25-2008, 10:38 PM	#190
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	Good tackler, not wildly talented, and I don't think he's fluid enough to be anywhere near as good in coverage at the next level. He doesn't play with the athleticism that I want if you're taking an LB that early. He doesn't wreck havoc on an offense.
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04-25-2008, 10:40 PM	#191
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	If you really think Rivers isn't athletic I have nothing to say really, I've only seen him play all of his college games but hey to each their own.
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04-25-2008, 10:42 PM	#192
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	I'll add on here, Rivers for all that I've seen in him reminds me alot of Keith Bulluck....
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04-25-2008, 10:47 PM	#193
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	I'm not saying he's awful. I'd say he's more of a really really poor man's Derrick Brooks(past his prime), just nowhere near the playmaker.
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04-25-2008, 10:49 PM	#194
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	Here's what I want to know honest question....Rivers has always been well thought of because of his play, he worked out at what you'd expect.. Mayo was a 2nd-3rd guy then he works out and all of the sudden he's better than Keith Rivers? I'm sorry I watch Tennessee play and Mayo is not the same player Rivers is, Mayo may be trendy cause he's rising when Rivers has always been there but he isn't as good not in my book.
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04-25-2008, 10:51 PM	#195
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-742950	Also I generally have no issue with your draft takes but I never ever thought I'd have to defend the athletic talent of Keith Rivers, honestly it makes me wonder how many times you've seen him play.
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