Chiefs Matt Cassel: Good or Bad? - Page 13

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 02-28-2009, 01:32 PM

We may as well have an easy point of reference for people to be able to come back and eat their crow when this all pans out. Everyone always says I knew it all along. Step up and put it down.

I don't think a 2nd round pick is terrible, but I don't think Matt Cassel will pan out in KC. I'll put it down right here, right now. And now I'll start praying I'm wrong.

Forget the trade. The only thing I want you to commit too is whether or not Cassel is a good or bad choice for QBOTF.

Mr. Kotter · 02-28-2009, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Yep, I'll just enjoy watching them make their Super Bowl runs while the Chiefs Nation sits around with it's thumb up it's ass, wondering "why isn't that us"?

Nearly every thing I'm reading....says those two QBs are the lowest rated "top two" QBs to come out in a while. It's not a good QB class, from what I'm reading. Heck, the K-State and Ball State kids may be the best real prospects according to a lot of folks.

**dirk digler** · 02-28-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

One is the worst run franchise in professional sports, and the other is from a franchise whose GM is from a clique more insular than the mother****ing Skull & Bones.

The Bungles were one of the worst run franchises ever and they still took Carson Palmer #1 overall.

If people believed Stafford or Sanchez are elite franchise QB's then neither one of the teams that tried to get Cassel today would have messed with him.

Will · 02-28-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Yep, I'll just enjoy watching them make their Super Bowl runs while the Chiefs Nation sits around with it's thumb up it's ass, wondering "why isn't that us"?

So if Stafford goes number 1 to the lions, he's going to lead them to a superbowl. Let me know when that happens

Mr. Kotter · 02-28-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Bill Polian on line 2.

His stock has fallen in case you haven't been following the Bills of late....

Just sayin'

aturnis · 02-28-2009, 04:17 PM

I wish this was a poll where we could see who voted for what. It'd be fun to talk shit to the guys who said bad if Stafford or Sanchez...whichever one would have fallen to us...failed.

**Rain Man** · 02-28-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Bill Polian on line 2.

Tell him to call back after a couple more Lombardis.

keg in kc · 02-28-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

I wish this was a poll where we could see who voted for what. It'd be fun to talk shit to the guys who said bad if Stafford or Sanchez...whichever one would have fallen to us...failed.

It is a public poll.

Mr. Kotter · 02-28-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Natural physical ability and intangibles.

Weren't you touting some DE last draft that hasn't exactly lit-up the NFL...yet, too? And on the same basis?

Just sayin'...heh.

**mlyonsd** · 02-28-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

If anybody but Pioli was our GM, I'd be upset about this trade. But Pioli knows the talent in New England and has the best pedigree of any GM in the league, so I trust his judgment.

How you think Pioli is smarter than 28 people on this board is beyond me.

eazyb81 · 02-28-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

The Bungles were one of the worst run franchises ever and they still took Carson Palmer #1 overall.

If people believed Stafford or Sanchez are elite franchise QB's then neither one of the teams that tried to get Cassel today would have messed with him.

I think there's a strong feeling about NFL people that Stafford is a franchise-type QB, and I don't think anyone seriously thinks Detroit is going to pass on him.

There's more varying opinions when it comes to Sanchez, and I think we saw how Pioli felt on the Sanchez vs. Cassel debate.

Mr. Kotter · 02-28-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

The Bungles were one of the worst run franchises ever and they still took Carson Palmer #1 overall.

If people believed Stafford or Sanchez are elite franchise QB's then neither one of the teams that tried to get Cassel today would have messed with him.

QFT

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-28-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Nearly every thing I'm reading....says those two QBs are the lowest rated "top two" QBs to come out in a while. It's not a good QB class, from what I'm reading. Heck, the K-State and Ball State kids may be the best real prospects according to a lot of folks.

I suggest that you find new things to read.

Stafford is a significantly better prospect than Ryan and Sanchez is much better than Flacco. They'd both go before Brady Quinn, and Stafford would probably go before Russell. They're better prospects than Young, Leinart, Smith and Rodgers.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-28-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

I think there's a strong feeling about NFL people that Stafford is a franchise-type QB, and I don't think anyone seriously thinks Detroit is going to pass on him.

There's more varying opinions when it comes to Sanchez, and I think we saw how Pioli felt on the Sanchez vs. Cassel debate.

We did?

**Rausch** · 02-28-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

Nearly every thing I'm reading....says those two QBs are the lowest rated "top two" QBs to come out in a while. It's not a good QB class, from what I'm reading. Heck, the K-State and Ball State kids may be the best real prospects according to a lot of folks.

I'd argue the least talented 1st round in years.

Now, I don't sit around tickling my kiwis to QB measurables and 40 times like Mecca but you don't have to. This isn't one of those years where you sit at pick 6 or 7 and think you've landed a franchise player.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-28-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He has off the charts intangibles, he has a strong arm, solid build, he's accurate, he plays his best against the best competition, he's a good natural athlete, he's smart, confident but not cocky, and he was productive with an offense that lacked a lot of elite talent (USCs offensive talent is nowhere near Oklahoma's, for example).

But here's what I dislike about that analysis: you are assuming that Sanchez has better intangibles because of what he did against college competition versus what Cassel has done against NFL competition. So in terms of ability to do more with less and the ability to play at his best against the best competition, you have to factor in that the competition he faced was significantly easier than what Cassel did. Playing your best against Penn State is different from playing your best against Pittsburgh.

But to the greater point, you are still leaving out a bunch of intangibles and assuming they're given. Sanchez is smart, but Cassel is an absolute film room fiend--will Sanchez have the dedication to put more time into that than Cassel? I'm going to guess probably not, given that Cassel puts a lot more time than most QBs in the NFL probably do. Furthermore, do you know how Sanchez will respond once he gets his big contract? He's young and is about to be surrounded with a bunch of cash he never had. How do we know he won't become distracted (and when I say "distracted" that means any even small distraction that might take him away from not just showing up to practice, but putting extra time after practice)? Given that he went after the big dollars of the NFL even though most of his advice told him he wasn't ready, who's to say that he's not heavily enamored by money? And given that he has had charges in the past of rape, breaking windows at parties, etc..., who's to say that he won't be distracted by an attractive social life?

Because here's the deal: almost every scout and expert believes that Sanchez is going to have to work hard to become better. I agree with that. How do we know he has the work ethic to not only become better, but to become the best? Cassel doesn't carry that risk. Sanchez does. Therefore, when we speak of upside, why doesn't the drive to get better and the work ethic to become smarter than the competition factor in?

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02-28-2009, 01:32 PM
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aturnis MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $9975811	I wish this was a poll where we could see who voted for what. It'd be fun to talk shit to the guys who said bad if Stafford or Sanchez...whichever one would have fallen to us...failed.
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