According to NFL Network

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

The Chiefs first pick will be at 13. Washington is putting together their ammo to get this done.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

People like to say that. It's not true at all, though...not by a long shot. If it were true, a team could trade their picks for rounds 2-7 for first round picks for the next 6 years.

Um... actually, it IS true. But, as with everything, you have to have a trade partner.

What generally happens is that a team likes a player enough because they have him ranked higher than where you are at.

Lets say you are in the second round and they have the player with a first round grade. They will give up their first rounder next year.

It has happened countless times over the history of the draft.

I don't know how exactly it would project out over multiple years, but I know how it works between a draft and the draft after it.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Your scenario is flawed and reeruned. The trade has to be made a year in advance. There are no guarantees. A year ago Detroit had the #17 overall selection - no one knew their 2009 1st round pick would be #1 overall.

We had a pretty good guess that it would be close.

Let's try it another way. Do you think that the Lions would trade their 2010 first rounder for StL's second rounder this year?


Draft value is non-linear. Therefore, the rule for one slot is not the same as the rule for another. For example, the 1st pick in the second round is worth 19% of the first overall pick's. The last pick in the second round is worth 46% of the last pick in the first round.

If your rule held true for all slots, the first pick would have to lose over 80% of its value season over season whereas the last pick in the first round would only lose about half of its value.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Um... actually, it IS true. But, as with everything, you have to have a trade partner.

What generally happens is that a team likes a player enough because they have him ranked higher than where you are at.

Lets say you are in the second round and they have the player with a first round grade. They will give up their first rounder next year.

It has happened countless times over the history of the draft.

I don't know how exactly it would project out over multiple years, but I know how it works between a draft and the draft after it.

Sweet. I submit that we trade our picks from rounds 3-7 for extra first rounders in 2011 through 2015.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

Oh man that would be awesome! Hopefully the Redskins suck so the pick will be high next year. Who would we get at 13?

We'll have extra incentive to whoop their asses this year. At 13, we would just miss out on Tyson Jackson because Denver will snatch him right up at 12. Good question, frankly, whatever, I just hope this deal gets done. There is nothing at 3 even remotely appealing since there is no chance we go QB.

[Toad]

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

The Chiefs first pick will be at 13. Washington is putting together their ammo to get this done.

FWIW, NFL Network also said that the Jets and Broncos were willing to trade into the 3rd spot potentially...

[keg in kc]

Sell it, baby. Sell it. Let's work this Sanchez market.

I'd like to have him, but I'll take a few picks in the draft as consolation.

God knows we ****ing need it.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Sanchez would carry huge price tag for Redskins
By JOSEPH WHITE
AP Sports Writer

Dan Snyder has selected seven quarterbacks in his nine drafts as the owner of the Washington Redskins.

And he's still looking.

Having failed to land Jay Cutler in a trade, Snyder and the Redskins spent a couple of days last week entertaining Southern California's Mark Sanchez, the latest possible solution to a long-term quarterback vacuum that's existed in Washington since the early 1990s.

But Sanchez is a hot commodity, unlikely to be there when the Redskins are scheduled to be on the clock with the No. 13 overall pick in the NFL draft late Saturday afternoon. The well-guarded secret in the back offices - the biggest cause for suspense as the week goes along - is how much Snyder and Co. are willing to trade to move up to a top five spot, or even higher, to guarantee they can get a player they really want.

"I think anything is possible," executive vice president for football operations Vinny Cerrato said Wednesday. "It's just what you're willing to give up."

Not since Mark Rypien have the Redskins had a quarterback who kept the undisputed starting job for more than a couple of seasons. Since buying the team in 1999, Snyder has targeted the position twice in the first round, taking Patrick Ramsey in 2002 and Jason Campbell in 2005. Lower-round selections Todd Husak (2000), Sage Rosenfels (2001), Gibran Hamdan (2003) and Jordan Palmer (2007) failed to establish themselves even as backups. Colt Brennan (2008) spent his first season playing third string.

Campbell put up cautious numbers - 13 touchdowns and six interceptions - last year in his first full season as the starter, but the Redskins clearly feel they can do better. They were outbid - barely - by Chicago in a bid to get Cutler from Denver, which necessitated what Cerrato called a "candid discussion" with Campbell to persuade the quarterback that the brass really does think he can do the job.

"With Jason, we are going full speed," coach Jim Zorn said. "He is every bit being handled as though he's our starting quarterback, both through word and deed. With the draft, part of knowing who's out there and what's available, we've got to get to know these players a little bit. And if there's any opportunities to better our football team, we want to talk to those guys, too. Nothing is etched in stone."

That's a party line the Redskins have to toe, at least for now, especially because Sanchez might carry an overwhelming price tag. Seattle is thought to be interested in Sanchez at No. 4, and a move up to No. 3 would likely cost Washington its third-round selection this year and a first-rounder next year - and possibly more.

The Redskins have already traded away picks in the second, fourth and seventh rounds, which means they would be getting Sanchez and little else from the weekend. That's a tough call for a team that has serious needs at weakside linebacker, defensive line and along the offensive line.

Compounding the sting of having few picks is the fact that the three players acquired for those missing selections - Jason Taylor (second), Pete Kendall (fourth) and Erasmus James (seventh) - aren't even on the team any more.

Snyder, nevertheless, was optimistic Wednesday in what has become his once-a-year regularly scheduled appearance before reporters. He reflected on the 8-8 season in Zorn's first year as coach, when the Redskins started 6-2 before fading down the stretch.

"Obviously we were disappointed with some of our late-season games last year," Snyder said. "We got close, as everyone knows, we got beaten up in terms of injuries, but that's no excuse. I think we're positioned pretty well to improve.

"We're doing what we can to win," the owner said. "I'm always going to be aggressive to try to win. I didn't buy the team for investment. I bought the team to try to win the Super Bowl, and that's what I'm trying to do."

http://www.kansascity.com/491/story/1156930.html

I'm jizzing in my pants uncontrollably. Everyone knows this dumbass is gonna do anything to get Sanchez.

[Chiefnj2]

I wonder how many of the Sanchez is shooting up the boards rumors were started by the Rams, Chiefs and Seahawks.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Sell it, baby. Sell it. Let's work this Sanchez market.

I'd like to have him, but I'll take a few picks in the draft as consolation.

God knows we ****ing need it.

Let's work this Thigpen angle. If we could ju-


Oh, that's right; he sucks ass and has no trade value. Oh well, at least he's all ours.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Okay, so you think that Miami's second round pick last year is worth the same as Detriot's #1 overall pick this year? If a pick's value drops by a round each year, these two picks should be of equal value.

For several years now, a pick from the next year has one round less value than a pick in the current year. The NFL values NOW far more than they value tomorrow. That's just the way it is.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Their first and third this year plus their first next year would work for me. We might have to throw in a fourth or something, but it could work.

**** no we won't.. If, big If the Skins got good that 1st next year would be closer to a 2nd..

I will take a 1st and 3rd this year and 1st next year though..

[cabletech94]

I've said in several other posts, can't wait for this weekend fellas!!!!!
Gonna get exciting (if the rumours are true)!!!!!

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Vanilla Thunder

Oh man that would be awesome! Hopefully the Redskins suck so the pick will be high next year. Who would we get at 13?

Michael Oher.

Or Tyson Jackson.

[Micjones]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

You can disagree, you're just wrong.

That opinion only counts for so much when you're the person I'm debating.

Go look at past trades. Teams who are trading back into the 1st round deal a 2nd plus a 1st next year. If a 1st next year is only devalued by 20% then they're giving up way too much.

Sure, when they're trading up 20 some odd spots as in the case of Carolina and Otah.

No GM in his right mind would trade a future #1 to move up from #33 to #27.
It's unnecessary.

Additionally...
No GM worth his salt would value the #45 pick in the current draft OVER the #13 pick the following year.

[keg in kc]

**** oher, give me jackson or, even better, brown.