Chiefs Clark Judge: Rating smartest, boldest, scariest offseason moves - Page 13

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-14-2009, 12:01 PM

Rating smartest, boldest, scariest offseason moves
May 13, 2009
By Clark Judge
CBSSports.com Senior Writer

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11743195

Five boldest moves

Kansas City hiring Scott Pioli

Some people automatically put this one in the win column. Not me. Not after Charlie Weis fizzled at Notre Dame and Romeo Crennel bombed out in Cleveland. OK, so they were former New England coaches, and Pioli was a decorated GM. They still fall from the same tree. The question I have is this: How much was Pioli responsible for what happened in New England? "I guess we're about to find out," said one NFC general manager.

The good news is that Thomas Dimitroff had New England ties, too, and he circled the bases in his first turn as a GM in Atlanta. The bad news: Pioli's first draft with Kansas City: There are reaches everywhere. He also reversed the team's Get Young Now policy by adding 30-something discards like Bobby Engram, Zach Thomas, Monty Beisel and Mike Vrabel. You can do that when you're at or near the top, like New England. But this is a team that lost 23 of its last 25, for crying out loud.

Five biggest gambles

Kansas City acquiring Matt Cassel

I know what he did with New England. But that was the Patriots, and tell me where you find Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Richard Seymour and Bill Belichick in the 816 area code. Cassel was surrounded by a raft of talent on the field and on the sidelines in New England, and I'm still looking for that support group here. So he produced a couple of 400-yard passing games and won 10 of 15 starts. That was nice. But I want to see him reproduce it here. OK, I know what you're thinking: What do the Chiefs have to lose -- especially when all they surrendered for Cassel and Vrabel was a second-round draft pick? Try this: They're paying Cassel $14.65 million in guaranteed salary. If he turns out to be the next Scott Mitchell I know some bean counters in red suits who will demand explanations.

Just Passin' By · 05-15-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Probably because there is going to be little tolerance for mistakes. He's 27 years old, he's not a big-time prospect fresh out of college.

There's going to be a lot of disappointed people, then, because this Chiefs team isn't very talented right now, no matter who you put at QB. 5 wins won't be a miracle or anything, but it could still be a successful season for this team. With the Chiefs facing the schedule they have, it could be a very bad season in terms of wins and losses, even if the team is much improved.

It's not an exact barometer, obviously, but Vegas has the over/under for the Chiefs at 5.5 wins right now, and even the Lions are at 5.

Just Passin' By · 05-15-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'd take Hamas, CC and Mecca over you and all the other n00bs any day of the week.

That has nothing at all to do with my point. The point was that you do precisely what you are complaining the "n00bs" have been doing.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-15-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

There's going to be a lot of disappointed people, then, because this Chiefs team isn't very talented right now, no matter who you put at QB. 5 wins won't be a miracle or anything, but it could still be a successful season for this team. With the Chiefs facing the schedule they have, it could be a very bad season in terms of wins and losses, even if the team is much improved.

It's not an exact barometer, obviously, but Vegas has the over/under for the Chiefs at 5.5 wins right now, and even the Lions are at 5.

5 wins WILL be a miracle. Are you kidding me?

Shit right tackle. Old guards. Shit center. ONE WR (with the dropsies). OLD RB. NO pass rush. OLD linebackers. Suspect secondary.

NEW coaching staff. FIRST TIME head coach.

If you think that 5 wins is a given, you're smokin' too much crack.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-15-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

That has nothing at all to do with my point. The point was that you do precisely what you are complaining the "n00bs" have been doing.

Yeah, because I'M the n00b that's been insulting all of those people (including me and OTWP58).

Yeah, right.

Try again, n00b.

Just Passin' By · 05-15-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i've thought about this quite a bit and maybe pioli saw enough of sanchez BEFORE taking our job that he already knew what he thought, so as GM of the chiefs sanchez never was an option. like i have said MANY times pioli either knew he was getting cassel or had a VERY good idea he was. look back at the opening presser, when asked about the QB situation he smiles and says he has something in mind. In my opinion he knew that was cassel

Valid arguments could, and were, made for trading for Cassel and for drafting Sanchez. Neither side of either decision knows for certain that their opinion is the correct one.

htismaqe · 05-15-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Unless somehow I missed the memo after Pioli was hired and we're all now supposed to fall in line like a bunch of lemmings.

It's these kinds of comments that lead to it. Agreeing with what the team is doing - or in my case, accepting it as reality and moving on - does not make one a lemming.

**doomy3** · 05-15-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And this is exactly the reason why some folks have left recently.

There are several n00bs that have entered discussion intent on name-calling and busting balls. Guys with less than 500 posts just ripping away at people. Personally, I'll rip right back (as would Hamas) but Mecca, CC and some of the other guys just aren't cut out for it and decided to bail.

It's a shame, really.

I'm no n00b, but this is hysterical. I don't believe you actually believe this, but if you do I must wonder if you are reading the same board I am.

This entire offseason was spent by the majority of the posters who had been around for awhile calling everyone names for ANY draft take that didn't involve drafting a QB at #3. Most of the time, there wasn't reasonable discussion in threads, not because of the n00bs, but because every thread turned into the same "hilarious" posts about true fans, calling players/Pioli Jesus, calling everyone reeruned, telling people to die, etc. This was EVERY thread. If anything, the only n00b that has had a negative impact on the board is DCS/RoR because he does all this shit to the extreme to try to gain approval from you guys.

But to see you try to pretend to be some sort of victim is mind-boggling.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-15-2009, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by THISmaqe

It's these kinds of comments that lead to it. Agreeing with what the team is doing - or in my case, accepting it as reality and moving on - does not make one a lemming.

That's you're choice.

But let's not deny the fact that many people (including myself) were singled out for not "accepting it" and having a differing opinion.

Some people were more vocal about it than others and were vilafied for it.

Just Passin' By · 05-15-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, because I'M the n00b that's been insulting all of those people (including me and OTWP58).

Yeah, right.

Try again, n00b.

Calling people "n00b" as an insult sets up confrontation from the very beginning. Also, my insults have generally been confined to a small group of people who've insulted me first. You just happen to be one of them because you seem to think you should be allowed to insult others without them firing back.

chiefzilla1501 · 05-15-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

Probably because there is going to be little tolerance for mistakes. He's 27 years old, he's not a big-time prospect fresh out of college.

Agreed. But the irony is that if we assume hypothetically that Brees never got injured in San Diego and that the Chargers ended up shopping Rivers, you would NEVER hear nearly as much disappointedness from a team that landed Rivers, even though Cassel's had a full season under his belt while Rivers at that point had only 1 mediocre game under his belt. You're absolutely right on that and it's something I'll never really understand. I just hope that people are willing to at least give Cassel more than a half-season to start making judgment calls about him.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-15-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

I'm no n00b, but this is hysterical. I don't believe you actually believe this, but if you do I must wonder if you are reading the same board I am.

Apparently not.

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Originally Posted by doomy3

But to see you try to pretend to be some sort of victim is mind-boggling.

Victim? I couldn't give a flying **** what you or those people or anyone else thinks of me or my opinion.

But to deny that I wasn't singled out means you are either ill-informed or you're trying to spin the truth.

How many times do I/did I have to read "Mecca/Hamas/Dane/OTWP" as a group?

I'll tell ya: Far too many times to count.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-15-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Calling people "n00b" as an insult sets up confrontation from the very beginning. Also, my insults have generally been confined to a small group of people who've insulted me first. You just happen to be one of them because you seem to think you should be allowed to insult others without them firing back.

If you're insulted by the phrase "n00b", then you're in for a long, tough ride here at the 'Planet.

**doomy3** · 05-15-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Apparently not.

Victim? I couldn't give a flying **** what you or those people or anyone else thinks of me or my opinion.

But to deny that I wasn't singled out means you are either ill-informed or you're trying to spin the truth.

How many times do I/did I have to read "Mecca/Hamas/Dane/OTWP" as a group?

I'll tell ya: Far too many times to count.

I don't know. I rarely see you mentioned in the same breath as any of those guys except for Hamas because you two are just adsjoles to everyone. OTWP, I would never compare you two. He knows a lot about football.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-15-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

I don't know. I rarely see you mentioned in the same breath as any of those guys except for Hamas because you two are just adsjoles to everyone. OTWP, I would never compare you two. He knows a lot about football.

And people call me a dick.

htismaqe · 05-15-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's you're choice.

But let's not deny the fact that many people (including myself) were singled out for not "accepting it" and having a differing opinion.

Some people were more vocal about it than others and were vilafied for it.

Dane, I've been called a Carl apologist since the days of the KC Star BB.

The idea that this is unique and directed only at those that question the team is, frankly, HYSTERICAL.

The "negative" crowd has been the MAJORITY here for the 8 of the last 9 years, and now that the tide is changing a bit, people want to take their ball and go home?

Seriously, that's just asinine.

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