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**Tribal Warfare** · 12-20-2009, 11:17 PM

Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back?
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star

I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Loyalty? Fairness?

You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited.

On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs.

Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse.

It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory.

“When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns.

“When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch.

“When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium.

That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense.

It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray.

We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too.

You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates.

Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants.

Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat?

You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel.

Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands.

Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back.

Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley?

What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach?

I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind.

Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver.

Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse.

I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.

Titty Meat · 12-21-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

you sticking up for your girlfriend?

I've left things in the toilet that are smarter than you.

Brock · 12-21-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

you sticking up for your girlfriend?

Is Haley your girlfriend?

Mecca · 12-21-2009, 08:05 PM

I think IL should try to explain how the Chiefs weren't completely embarrassed yesterday, that was pretty solid for a laugh.

You can be the biggest Chiefs fan in the world, it doesn't change what this team is and you wanting them to be something else doesn't change reality.

ILChief · 12-21-2009, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Is Haley your girlfriend?

Too much facial hair for my liking

**SAUTO** · 12-21-2009, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Yes critique my grammar, it's obviously extremely important to a debate about how Todd Haley coaches with his head up his ass.

coming from the king of posts that have nothing to do with the topic this is ironic.

and if you are going to call someone stupid what do you expect?
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Mecca · 12-21-2009, 08:08 PM

So you think Todd Haley is a good coach that makes proper decisions?

ILChief · 12-21-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think IL should try to explain how the Chiefs weren't completely embarrassed yesterday, that was pretty solid for a laugh.

You can be the biggest Chiefs fan in the world, it doesn't change what this team is and you wanting them to be something else doesn't change reality.

they weren't embarrassed because they lost by one score. If anything was embarrassing it was giving up almost 300 yards rushing. Not getting burned by kickoff returns.

ILChief · 12-21-2009, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So you think Todd Haley is a good coach that makes proper decisions?

I think it's too early to tell if he's a good coach.

Mecca · 12-21-2009, 08:08 PM

They were both pretty embarassing, Cribbs and Harrison set a record for total yards of 2 players in a game.

**SAUTO** · 12-21-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

I think IL should try to explain how the Chiefs weren't completely embarrassed yesterday, that was pretty solid for a laugh.

You can be the biggest Chiefs fan in the world, it doesn't change what this team is and you wanting them to be something else doesn't change reality.

i still havent seen you say exactly what you would have done.
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Mecca · 12-21-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

I think it's too early to tell if he's a good coach.

So he's just going to stop doing stupid shit magically 1 day?

You know to this point he's worse than Herm right?

Mecca · 12-21-2009, 08:09 PM

Done in relation to what?

After 1 kickoff TD you don't kick him the ball again, it's simple shit.

ILChief · 12-21-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

So he's just going to stop doing stupid shit magically 1 day?

You know to this point he's worse than Herm right?

no, he's not worse than Herm. He's a first year head coach. Herm had been a head coach for 8 years.

If he gets some talent to work with, I think Haley can be good.

**SAUTO** · 12-21-2009, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Done in relation to what?

After 1 kickoff TD you don't kick him the ball again, it's simple shit.

so how would you have gone about accomplishing that? quit skirting the question
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ILChief · 12-21-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

so how would you have gone about accomplishing that? quit skirting the question
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it's easier to second guess on the internet after you know how the game turned out.

12-20-2009, 11:17 PM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2997187	Whitlock: Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? Why should the Chiefs bring Haley back? By JASON WHITLOCK The Kansas City Star I’m not arguing that Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Loyalty? Fairness? You throw them overboard with the waiting list for season-ticket holders. Anyone arguing the Chiefs have made progress this season hasn’t heard about what happened inside Arrowhead Stadium on Sunday when the Cleveland Browns visited. On a day when Cleveland quarterback Brady Quinn threw for 66 yards and two interceptions, the Browns rumbled for 351 yards on the ground and surpassed the 40-point barrier in a 41-34 victory over Haley’s Chiefs. Keep in mind, the Browns are in the process of wooing Mike Holmgren to take over their organization and can embattled head coach Eric “Dead Man Coaching” Mangini. The Browns are bad. The Chiefs are worse. It took a total team effort to give Cleveland a road victory. “When you allow two returns for touchdowns, that’s generally not going to end up being a good thing,” Haley said, scolding the special-teams unit that allowed Josh Cribbs to find the end zone twice on kickoff returns. “When you drop nine balls, and we had 39 to 40 by the NFL’s count going into this game — 50-plus by my count — it’s going to be very difficult,” Haley said, scolding his receivers for their inability to catch. “When you allow a team to run the football the way they were able to run the football, you’re not going to have much of a chance to win,” Haley said, scolding a defensive unit that has surrendered 800-plus rushing yards in its last three games at Arrowhead Stadium. That’s all three units, folks. Special teams. Offense. And defense. It’s Christmas, and all three phases of Haley’s team are in disarray. We’ve spent so much time focusing on the shortcomings within Kansas City’s roster, we’ve failed to mention that it’s likely Haley will overhaul his entire coaching staff, too. You think Clancy Pendergast is coming back as defensive coordinator after some kid named Jerome Harrison gained 286 yards and finished 10 yards shy of the NFL’s all-time rushing record? We know Haley is a hothead. He booted his most qualified assistant (Chan Gailey) before the season. He’s already demoted a receivers coach. He benches receivers when his mood dictates. Come on, you know Haley’s instincts will tell him to fire everyone except his wingman, Maurice Carthon. Haley can argue that he got this head-coaching position so late last offseason that he was unable to lure top-flight assistants. Will top assistants want to come work for Haley this offseason? Let’s don’t even deal with the damage Haley has done to his reputation with his wild-man coaching routine and his handling of Gailey. Why would a top assistant come to KC when Haley is going to enter next season on the hot seat? You know who would come? A coach with ties to Scott Pioli; a coach who thinks he could be the interim head coach if Haley gets fired six weeks into the season. Charlie Weis. Romeo Crennel. Yes, more of the Patriots Way. A continuation of the flawed philosophy that you can export a winning culture from one city to another. Winning produces its own unique culture wherever it lands. Let me get back on topic. I’m not saying Todd Haley should be fired. I’m wondering what’s the justification for bringing him back. Mike Shanahan appears to be headed to Washington. Mike Holmgren apparently is going to take over Cleveland’s front office. Bill Cowher might rejoin the coaching ranks. The Chiefs are going to stand pat with Haley? What has he shown us that gives us confidence he’ll hire a competent coaching staff? And if the Chiefs are going to be starting over with a new assistant-coaching staff, why not just start all the way over with a new head coach? I did not say fire Todd Haley. I’m searching for reasons to bring him back. Right now, loyalty and fairness come to mind. Scott Pioli stuck Haley with a craptastic roster. The stupidity of playing all season with special-team players masquerading as starting linebackers and safeties has caught up with the Chiefs the last month. And so has playing musical waiver wire at receiver. Haley’s defenders can argue quite persuasively that he hasn’t been given a fair shot. Haley’s critics could argue that Haley has made a bad situation worse. I’m not arguing anything. And I’m cool with Haley coming back ... as long as he realizes he has to make a boatload of fundamental changes to his coaching approach.
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12-21-2009, 08:05 PM	#183
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	I think IL should try to explain how the Chiefs weren't completely embarrassed yesterday, that was pretty solid for a laugh. You can be the biggest Chiefs fan in the world, it doesn't change what this team is and you wanting them to be something else doesn't change reality.
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12-21-2009, 08:08 PM	#186
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	So you think Todd Haley is a good coach that makes proper decisions?
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	They were both pretty embarassing, Cribbs and Harrison set a record for total yards of 2 players in a game.
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12-21-2009, 08:09 PM	#192
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	Done in relation to what? After 1 kickoff TD you don't kick him the ball again, it's simple shit.
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