Chiefs Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+ - Page 13

**dirk digler** · 04-25-2010, 08:04 AM

I was pretty down on this draft outside of Berry but maybe I am just stupid.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...s.3f4b050.html

KANSAS CITY CHIEFS GRADE: A+

The Chiefs drafted the NFL defensive rookie of the year in Berry – and a slew of other good players. Arenas was the best returner in the draft, and McCluster will give the AFC matchup problems at both running back and receiver.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You think there is no chance for Moeaki to be a productive, successful TE, injuries aside?

There's never no chance, but he carries a huge risk with far less potential upside than someone like Graham.

Even more laughingly, he's smaller and slower than Brad Cottam as well. Of course, I fully expect that Cottam will be cut because he's not one of the Brahman, so a direct comparison will be difficult.

I'll ask you this much:

Was trading up to get Tony Moeaki worth Cam Thomas?

A week ago, did you know who Tony Moeaki was, and did you have him in the same galaxy of his ability to help this team as a Cam Thomas?

**DaneMcCloud** · 04-25-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Wait a minute I didn't say McCluster sucked I like Mccluster. Arenas ****ing sucks.

See above. Arenas is going to be a stud nickel back and should be a phenomenal returner.

He's a game changer and that's exactly what this team needs.

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

See above. Arenas is going to be a stud nickel back and should be a phenomenal returner.

He's a game changer and that's exactly what this team needs.

I promise you he'll suck at nickelback. One this team has no pass rush. Two. He's not quick at all watch the BCS Title game he was owned by Shipley.

As a returner? Watch the Senoir Bowl game he doesn't have break away speed. He's shifty but not fast.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Whats wrong with drafting a playmaer Hamas?

Who is worth more:

An outside linebacker in a 3-4 who can harass the QB
A 0 technique who can command consistent double teams
A potential franchise QB
A slot receiver with size and speed
A legit #2 receiver

or Dave Meggett

I think McCluster's absolute upside is Dave Meggett.

He'll be a good player, but he's not worth more than the above.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:21 PM

Arenas was absolutely dismantled by Jordan Shipley.

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Who is worth more:

An outside linebacker in a 3-4 who can harass the QB
A 0 technique who can command consistent double teams
A potential franchise QB
A slot receiver with size and speed
A legit #2 receiver

or Dave Meggett

I think McCluster's absolute upside is Dave Meggett.

He'll be a good player, but he's not worth more than the above.

Dave Meggett was a bit before my time wasn't he a running back?

Cody was a two down player so at that pick I would say it's a reach.

I wanted to draft a OLB.

The Benn pick would have been ok but #2 WR isn't a need for this team.

This sort of reminds me of last years draft had Pioli drafted Harvin people would be pissed at the time but now would be ok with it.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:24 PM

Another question:

Drafts are a result of player evaluation skills, obviously, but so are UDFA pickups. The teams who have the best drafts also tend to be the best at getting UDFAs. Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, etc.

Now, look at who they have brought it so far in UDFA

Look at who we have brought in

I think that can tell you a lot about the respective franchises' abilities to evaluate talent, and an extension of that can be applied to this draft.

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-25-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

Tebow was the steal of the draft IMO. I don't know what happens with our tackles, we got two blue chip tackles though with Clady and Harris so no matter what Denver is fine.

Ok. Drafting him were you did was one thing. Giving a 2,3 and 4 to get there is OMGWTFBBQ

Just Passin' By · 04-25-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

There's never no chance, but he carries a huge risk with far less potential upside than someone like Graham.

Even more laughingly, he's smaller and slower than Brad Cottam as well. Of course, I fully expect that Cottam will be cut because he's not one of the Brahman, so a direct comparison will be difficult.

I'll ask you this much:

Was trading up to get Tony Moeaki worth Cam Thomas?

A week ago, did you know who Tony Moeaki was, and did you have him in the same galaxy of his ability to help this team as a Cam Thomas?

Thomas fell all the way to #146. Clearly, more than one team had some reservations about the guy.

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 02:27 PM

Arenas had six career picks at Alabama

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-25-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by KnowMo2724

I think Tebow will be in the HOF when all is said and done.

Sure, running the ticket booth, no doubt.

Mosbonian · 04-25-2010, 02:28 PM

Hamas:

A legitimate question here:

What's the difference in selecting Tony Moeaki vs. selecting Sergio Kindle, not taking in their point of selection but factoring it more on taking a flyer on an injured player?

mmaddog
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'Hamas' Jenkins · 04-25-2010, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Dave Meggett was a bit before my time wasn't he a running back?

Cody was a two down player so at that pick I would say it's a reach.

I wanted to draft a OLB.

The Benn pick would have been ok but #2 WR isn't a need for this team.

This sort of reminds me of last years draft had Pioli drafted Harvin people would be pissed at the time but now would be ok with it.

Benn can be a #1 WR. At 50, I was talking about guys like Golden Tate or Damien Williams, who can be slot and #2 guys, respectively.

If we would have drafted any of those 3 at 36, let alone 50 for Tate or Williams, people would have universally lauded those as excellent value picks.

And Dave Meggett was a KR/PR/WR/RB

He had 530 receiving yards his rookie year and around 120 rushing yards, but was one of the best KR and PR in the league (although I don't see McCluster doing either one of those)

He was 5'7 190 pounds.

I guaran****ingtee you, that if you look at Pioli's history and absolute fealty to Parcells and the Patriot way, he didn't think of McCluster as Wes Welker, he thought of him as Dave Meggett.

Titty Meat · 04-25-2010, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Another question:

Drafts are a result of player evaluation skills, obviously, but so are UDFA pickups. The teams who have the best drafts also tend to be the best at getting UDFAs. Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, etc.

Now, look at who they have brought it so far in UDFA

Look at who we have brought in

I think that can tell you a lot about the respective franchises' abilities to evaluate talent, and an extension of that can be applied to this draft.

Whats it say when you basically repeat the same draft in a row aside from a few guys? The Washington, Brown, McConnell picks look like a total waste.

Mosbonian · 04-25-2010, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Arenas had six career picks at Alabama

A possible explanation could be that he was good enough that no one threw in his direction? I don't know if that is the right answer...but it's a possible explanation.

mmaddog
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7139572	Another question: Drafts are a result of player evaluation skills, obviously, but so are UDFA pickups. The teams who have the best drafts also tend to be the best at getting UDFAs. Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, etc. Now, look at who they have brought it so far in UDFA Look at who we have brought in I think that can tell you a lot about the respective franchises' abilities to evaluate talent, and an extension of that can be applied to this draft. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Mosbonian On Hiatus Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-1320300	Hamas: A legitimate question here: What's the difference in selecting Tony Moeaki vs. selecting Sergio Kindle, not taking in their point of selection but factoring it more on taking a flyer on an injured player? mmaddog ********
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