Chiefs what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? - Page 13

wutamess · 12-20-2011, 08:30 AM

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-21-2011, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Chiefs Planet is a poor representation of the actual fan base. The genious loosers over at Arrowhead Pride and other sites caption your average Chiefs fan much better

Probably. I've heard about the dumbassery that goes on at those sites, so I choose to never
subject myself to it.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-21-2011, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Yep, that looks like about 1%.

Here are some more gems

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Originally Posted by teedubya

Orton can stay in KC as long as he wants, IMO. Remember this... he is playing with a ****ed up throwing hand!

I was very impressed with him. Great game. It is only ONE game, but I was NEVER this encouraged with Casshole.

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Originally Posted by KCBOSS1

If Orton plays out the rest of the season like he did today, he deserves the starting job hands down with no concern for "competition". I wasn't an Orton supporter but after not having a real quarterback in this offense since Trent Green, the potential of this team looks completely different with him in there. I believe a win like this could absolutely bond players with coach, with quarterback. If he continues like he did today, we should not draft a QB first round, he shouldn't have to look over his shoulder. The job should be completely his. If a highly ranked qb falls to a lower round, that's different.

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

Not me. I said he was as good as Carson Palmer and WAY cheaper. I'll go ahead and say we no longer need to think QB in the draft.

**007** · 12-21-2011, 12:49 AM

Just giving you shit Hamas. There are always going to be idiots on this site. Hell, we have probably all been said idiot at some point.

SPchief · 12-21-2011, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Just giving you shit Hamas. There are always going to be idiots on this site. Hell, we have probably all been said idiot at some point.

Well duh, hindsight is always 50/50 here

12-21-2011, 01:07 AM

Every single QB in the history of the NFL turns to goo under pressure. The idea is to keep pressure off of him and provide a quick outlet for when the defense is bringing the heat. That's why talent evaluaters talk about film-work and reading a defense as keys to a QB's success.

**007** · 12-21-2011, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SPchief

Well duh, hindsight is always 50/50 here

**007** · 12-21-2011, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Every single QB in the history of the NFL turns to goo under pressure. The idea is to keep pressure off of him and provide a quick outlet for when the defense is bringing the heat. That's why talent evaluaters talk about film-work and reading a defense as keys to a QB's success.

Whoa, you just made a post that didn't mention 50 years of NFL history.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 12-21-2011, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Just giving you shit Hamas. There are always going to be idiots on this site. Hell, we have probably all been said idiot at some point.

Or many points

johnny961 · 12-21-2011, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Every single QB in the history of the NFL turns to goo under pressure. The idea is to keep pressure off of him and provide a quick outlet for when the defense is bringing the heat. That's why talent evaluaters talk about film-work and reading a defense as keys to a QB's success.

Yep. Even the games best QB's make some stupid mistakes when they have a 300 LB lineman breathing down their neck.

Hammock Parties · 12-21-2011, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Every single QB in the history of the NFL turns to goo under pressure.

Wrong.

Some guys have the ability to make a throw or make a play with their legs when the pressure comes and some don't.

12-21-2011, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Wrong.

I didn't share an opinion, Clay. It's a fact that quarterbacks do not perform at their peak while being pressured. You're the only person who wants to argue to the contrary.

12-21-2011, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Whoa, you just made a post that didn't mention 50 years of NFL history.

I've definitely overused that statement the past 24 hours or so. I was just following my little buddy's lead.

Hammock Parties · 12-21-2011, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

I didn't share an opinion, Clay. It's a fact that quarterbacks do not perform at their peak while being pressured. You're the only person who wants to argue to the contrary.

Some perform better than others under pressure. Also a fact.

Orton has issues.

12-21-2011, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Some perform better than others under pressure. Also a fact.

No question. You could have said it that way instead of saying "WRONG" and we wouldn't even be having this exchange.

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Orton has issues.

I agree. He folds under pressure. That's not surprising. I don't think he has any kind of superior decision making or escapability either. To his credit, he uses his blocks well and slides around the pocket with ease. He also makes quick reads and gets rid of the ball efficiently. Nobody is going to mistake Orton for a superstar QB but he's better than anybody the Chiefs have had in years. I would even go so far as to say he's better than Trent Green.

In a nutshell, I won't cry myself to sleep if the Chiefs keep Orton for 2012. He's not nearly as good as he looked vs. the Packers but he's nowhere near as bad as he's looked at times wearing a bear or horse on his helmet.

Deberg_1990 · 12-21-2011, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

No question. You could have said it that way instead of saying "WRONG" and we wouldn't even be having this exchange.

I agree. He folds under pressure. That's not surprising. I don't think he has any kind of superior decision making or escapability either. To his credit, he uses his blocks well and slides around the pocket with ease. He also makes quick reads and gets rid of the ball efficiently. Nobody is going to mistake Orton for a superstar QB but he's better than anybody the Chiefs have had in years. I would even go so far as to say he's better than Trent Green.

In a nutshell, I won't cry myself to sleep if the Chiefs keep Orton for 2012. He's not nearly as good as he looked vs. the Packers but he's nowhere near as bad as he's looked at times wearing a bear or horse on his helmet.

Simply put, Orton is a top 15 QB in the NFL. Cassel is a bottom 25-32 guy. It shouldnt be a hard decision for the Chiefs.

12-20-2011, 08:30 AM
wutamess MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $4711637	what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me. I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid. I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton. I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!
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Phobia Guest Casino cash: $	Every single QB in the history of the NFL turns to goo under pressure. The idea is to keep pressure off of him and provide a quick outlet for when the defense is bringing the heat. That's why talent evaluaters talk about film-work and reading a defense as keys to a QB's success.
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