Seriously,if the Chiefs...

[Nzoner]

somehow someway land Peyton Manning I will be done as a fan until his tenure is over.I can't really explain it except to say my dislike for him and his family runs very deep and there is no way I could ever cheer for or back him.

Anyone else have similar feelings or would you be all for seeing him in a KC uniform?

His regular season success, though, does not mean that the future Hall of Famer should be absolved from criticism for his team’s repeated failures in January.

He has racked up seven one-and-done postseason exits—the most of any quarterback in NFL history. Overall, he owns a 9-10 record in 11 playoff appearances, whereas Eli is an incredible 9-3 with two Super Bowl MVP awards.

[Crush]

Originally Posted by Sofa King

My bad. It is actually 6 years worth of draft picks. I had the chart upside down.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Crush

Trading up from 11 to 2 is going to take 5 years worth of draft picks. We're ****ed either way.

no, it's not.

at most it will effect 3 drafts and i seriously doubt it does that because most teams will not want to wait that long for the picks.

three 1st round picks + a few xtra ... should do it.

this year's 1st
a player who is worth or traded for a 1st(3-way trade or tag/trade)
next year's 1st
extra picks(2nd and 3rd this year? ... 2nd this year and 2nd next year? etc)

now that is NOT 5 years worth of picks ... it's not even 2 full year's worth of picks.

it will cost a lot, but let's not get overly melodramatic about it.

[Dragonocho]

IMHO Healthy Peyton> RGIII> Stanzi >Unhealthy Peyton >Tyler Thigpen>Tyler Palko> Cassel> Tebow.

[mlyonsd]

ABC.

[bricks]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

ABC.

1,2,3

[Epic Fail 007]

Originally Posted by -King-

No. That just sounds reeruned.
Posted via Mobile Device

I agree it dose. Also a very childish statement.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by bricks

1,2,3

Anybody but Cassel.

[lewdog]

It isn't my ****ing money we would be spending on him and he surely is better than ****ing Cassel. Would be fun to watch, especially if he is healthy. I would be ok with winning now, since building for the future sure hasn't worked out for the past 40 years.

[ColtsBlueFL]

Originally Posted by jd1020

You do know why hes had so many neck surgeries, right?

The Redskins finally got a good lick on him (a high/low)min 2006. Peyton came back to win that game, and we won the Super Bowl that year. He's been playing with the nerve being damaged over the next few years, getting other minimally invasive surgeries to try to fix it. Finally, he had the full fusion surgery. Joe Montana won two Super Bowls after having the same thing.

This article might be of major interest-
http : www dot hogshaven dot com/2012/2/9/2788561/some-clarity-on-peytons-injury

{Sorry, had to encrypt slighty to get article URL in the post.}

The Colts can't wait past 3/8 to see if this pans out, as I have outlined with details in another post. Peyton is nearing 7 months post-op, so it may not be too much longer before he can resume his career... somewhere.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by ColtsBlueFL

The Redskins finally got a good lick on him (a high/low)min 2006. Peyton came back to win that game, and we won the Super Bowl that year. He's been playing with the nerve being damaged over the next few years, getting other minimally invasive surgeries to try to fix it. Finally, he had the full fusion surgery. Joe Montana won two Super Bowls after having the same thing.

This article might be of major interest-
http : www dot hogshaven dot com/2012/2/9/2788561/some-clarity-on-peytons-injury

{Sorry, had to encrypt slighty to get article URL in the post.}

The Colts can't wait past 3/8 to see if this pans out, as I have outlined with details in another post. Peyton is nearing 7 months post-op, so it may not be too much longer before he can resume his career... somewhere.

Whoa! Did not know it happened in 2006.

[ColtsBlueFL]

Originally Posted by -King-

Whoa! Did not know it happened in 2006.

Indeed, and he still played and even made it back to another Super Bowl. He is still the least sacked / hit QB in football, but this one play on one day did it. The full picture sequence here-

http : / / www dot hogshaven dot com/2012/2/9/2788561/some-clarity-on-peytons-injury

[ if a regular could check this and then post proper URL, that would be great. ]

I just want everyone to know the full story on him before making their conclusions as his potential future landing spot is determined. There is no doubt in my mind I'd love to have him with the Horseshoe on his helmet again, but the health/contract circumstances make it a 99.9.% no way in hades scenario. Somebody out there is going to get a tremendous QB for a few years. IF, that nerve regeneration completes soon.

I'd rather him come here than anywhere else that;s not Indy. Then Seattle, then AZ, and then Miami.

(which my wife wants, so I can take her across state to Sun Life stadium and watch in person. I told her tickets will fly off the shelf so buy early if it happens...)

He's not in any more danger of becoming a paraplegic then he was in the Super Bowl facing Brees and company a couple years ago. But his arm just might feel better than back then. Anyway, we'll see what your FO/coaching staff has up it's sleeve in the Manning stakes soon enough.

[SPATCH]

whoa.. completely missed this thread, but..

OP is not a heterosexual.

[Brock]

I feel the same way about Cassel.

[MoreLemonPledge]

Originally Posted by ColtsBlueFL

http : / / www dot hogshaven dot com/2012/2/9/2788561/some-clarity-on-peytons-injury

[ if a regular could check this and then post proper URL, that would be great.

http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/2/9/27...peytons-injury

here is way too much misinformation on Peyton Manning's injury. First of all, a little history.

According to Dungy and Manning, Peyton received his initial neck injury in a game against the Washington Redskins on Oct. 22, 2006. Dungy recalled that " Manning's neck was wrenched and his helmet ripped off when he took a hit by Andre Carter followed by a hit from Phillip Daniels". The hits were legal so do not read anything into that.

When Manning got up he shook his right arm " as if to get the feeling back into it". Peyton took a time out and told the back up QB to be ready. Peyton went on to throw for 244 yards and three TD's in the second half. According to Irsay and Dungy the neck would get aggravated over the next few years but nothing really abnormal.

But, in September of 2010 it was reported that Peyton had been injured sometime before week one. That is when the disc in his neck began to do nerve damage. Manning struggled with pain throughout the 2010 season. He admitted to not having as much throwing strength as usual. This resulted in his decreased production: 91.2 passer rating, 4700 yards, 33 TD's and 17 Int. (hell of a season for an injured QB).

Peyton's first two surgeries were more noninvasive in an attempt to keep the disc from doing damage to the nerve. The fusion was done on the third attempt and was successful. Two of the countries leading neurosurgeons, along with the Colts neurosurgeon have cleared Peyton to play in the NFL again. This relates completely to the fusion itself. Not the nerve regeneration that is subsequent to the fusion surgery.

Peyton is no more likely to "break his neck and be paralyzed" than anyone else in the league. The fusion does not make his neck "weaker", it just may be a little less mobile. Only time will tell. The discs are fused and healed and no longer do damage to the nerve, which is what has caused the loss in arm strength.

The question now is, when and if the nerve will completely heal. This process can take from a few months to a year. The fact is, a study was done on this very issue in regards to NFL players who have had disc herniation's and nerve damage. According to the Spine Orthopedics,Aug. 2010, 72% of NFL players who underwent surgery for disk herniation and resulting nerve damage returned to play, on average for 2.8 more years. The non-surgery group returned to play for just 1.5 years.

In an interview with Joe Montana, Joe said he underwent fusion surgery in 1986 and was told many of the same things Peyton has by so many around him- just retire. Montana underwent his surgery and went on to win Super Bowls 23 and 24, was MVP in 1989, Super Bowl MVP and led his team to two 14-2 regular seasons. And all of this after disc fusion surgery.

According to Peyton and those around him he is getting strength back in his arm. Both Reggie Wayne and Joseph Addai took some reps from Manning and agreed that he was getting more zip on the ball. It could still take several months to find out if Peyton will be in that 72% club and get back to full strength.

The Colt's do not have the luxury of waiting to find out as they have to make a decision before March 8th and a 28 million dollar bonus they would have to pay Manning. It's not going to happen and Peyton will become a free agent.

The rest of the NFL has more time to see how Peyton is doing. The fact is the odds are in Peyton's favor. He is already getting his strength back and there is a three out of four chance his nerve will heal completely. If so, I believe Peyton has at least three more years of Manning level football left in him, maybe more. He may be 36 but other than this neck injury he was the least sacked QB in the league his entire career. He has never taken the kind of punishment other older QB's have endured.

I would also add that Peyton may be the smartest most cerebral QB in history. I believe he can adjust his game as he gets older and still be just as dangerous. Kinda like Michael Jordan when he could no longer dunk a ball from the free throw line. He just invented the fade shot and won more titles.

If Peyton's nerve completely heals, a team in need of a franchise QB would be nuts not to go for him. Just my two cents.

[Otter]

Just out of curiosity Nzoner, why do you like Manning? I'm pretty indifferent to him and don't want to see him brought in just because I hate the fact it extends on the Chiefs being total losers at developing a QB.