Football Could this end up being a more disappointing offseason than 2009? - Page 13

keg in kc · 03-12-2013, 03:48 PM

I'm thinking purely personnel moves. The coaching staff has a better pedigree, even if Reid is basically the last guy I wanted here. But player-wise? What are we looking at here?

Now this is not really a "draft Geno/Barkely/whoever" thing, it's more of a "how ****ed are we as fans of this franchise?" commentary. About the circumstances we, as fans, find ourselves in. I mean, think about it: we get the number one pick and for whatever reason, whether it's the prospects at the position or the front office philosophy, we aren't taking a QB. We get a complete turnover of the front office and coaching staff that basically everyone wanted, and Matt Cassel will be shown the door, to everyone's joy....yet our new quarterback is Alex frikkin Smith. With Chase Daniel serving as his boy wonder.

Does it get worse than this? Seriously. You couldn't script this stuff. This is like the Bad News Bears and the Indians from Major League had a baby who decided to play football. "Change" comes every 5 years or so, but nothing ever seems to get any better.

The football gods continue laughing.

**Ming the Merciless** · 03-13-2013, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It is NOT "meaningless".

Furthermore, he IS franchised for this season, so he'll be on the roster.

The sky isn't falling.

Franchising a player 1 season and trading away top draft pick for a 7 year vet while blowing an opportunity to get a franchise QB & having to waste the number 1 pick on that franchise player's replacement is a move you make if you have a chance to win in the playoffs right now IMO.

so Yah, meaningless

BigChiefFan · 03-13-2013, 12:45 AM

Besides retaining our own players, the other moves just aren't doing it for me. For comparsion... DeVito replaces Dorsey-wash. Smith replaces Cassel-slight improvement. Wash. Dunta Robinson replaces Routt? Was he even a Chief? Robinson's decent, but he's an average DB at best. We're not much better, IMO and I used to be a homer at times. We need a big time FA.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-13-2013, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Franchising a player 1 season and trading away top draft pick for a 7 year vet while blowing an opportunity to get a franchise QB & having to waste the number 1 pick on that franchise player's replacement is a move you make if you have a chance to win in the playoffs right now IMO.

so Yah, meaningless

1. Albert's fate has yet to be determined.
2. #34 overall isn't a "Top Pick".
3. There are no Franchise QB's in this draft. Period.
4. The league year just began TODAY.
5. The draft is SEVEN weeks away.

There's a lot that can happen between now and draft day in terms of acquiring picks and players.

**Ming the Merciless** · 03-13-2013, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

1. Albert's fate has yet to be determined.
2. #34 overall isn't a "Top Pick".
3. There are no Franchise QB's in this draft. Period.
4. The league year just began TODAY.
5. The draft is SEVEN weeks away.

There's a lot that can happen between now and draft day in terms of acquiring picks and players.

I'm glad you're optimistic! I disagree with you on 2 & 3........but only time will tell. Heck id love Alex Smith to step in and just pick up right where he left off.....and even get better.

Truthfully last season just killed any optimism I had. Plus I have seen a ton of Alex Smith......not just the last 2 years.

I should probably just stop vcomplaining about Alex now that's its done.

LETS GO CHIEFS

AussieChiefsFan · 03-13-2013, 01:00 AM

I doubt it. The 2008 team was much worse (atleast it seems) than the 2012 team. Obviously, hindsight is 20/20 but this isn't Pioli anymore, and there seems to be a 'win-now' attitude that Dorsey and Reid have shown.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-13-2013, 01:03 AM

#34 in a deep draft is an extremely valuable pick if your FO is competent.

2009 is worse than this year, but that doesn't mean it's more disappointing. We had been through two terrible years on the field before 2009. This year has compounded those two years with three other abysmal ones, plus the public humiliation of the franchise, scandal, and a fan revolt, only to end up essentially where we were in 2005-06, with a "Win Now" mantra that is doomed to fail because it lacks the horsepower in the requisite areas.

Hammock Parties · 03-13-2013, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

#34 in a deep draft is an extremely valuable pick if your FO is competent.

2009 is worse than this year, but that doesn't mean it's more disappointing. We had been through two terrible years on the field before 2009. This year has compounded those two years with three other abysmal ones, plus the public humiliation of the franchise, scandal, and a fan revolt, only to end up essentially where we were in 2005-06, with a "Win Now" mantra that is doomed to fail because it lacks the horsepower in the requisite areas.

This could be more disappointing in a lot of ways besides passing on a potential franchise QB.

If the groundwork is not laid for a SB team this offseason, we're probably looking at nothing coming from the careers of Charles, Albert, Bowe, DJ, Hali and Flowers.

Even ***** didn't have that cross to bear, but Dorsey and Reid certainly are on the clock in that regard.

keg in kc · 03-13-2013, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan

I doubt it. The 2008 team was much worse (atleast it seems) than the 2012 team.

I'm not sure how you can call one 2-14 team much worse than another.

And Dane, I agree that a lot can happen between now and draft day. That's why I phrased it as a question ("Could this end up being a more disappointing offseason than 2009?") rather than as a statement ("This is more disappointing than 2009").

Although I am not particularly enamored with any of the moves so far. Particularly the 2.0 version of the Matt Cassel trade. And that has nothing to do with Geno Smith. I would hate the Alex Smith move regardless of whether I think Geno's a potential franchise player or not. It's just a bad deal to make.

AussieChiefsFan · 03-13-2013, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I'm not sure how you can call one 2-14 team much worse than another.

Yeah both were utter crap. But going into this year, I'm feeling better than I was going into 2009. Despite Alex Smith.

keg in kc · 03-13-2013, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

#34 in a deep draft is an extremely valuable pick if your FO is competent.

2009 is worse than this year, but that doesn't mean it's more disappointing. We had been through two terrible years on the field before 2009. This year has compounded those two years with three other abysmal ones, plus the public humiliation of the franchise, scandal, and a fan revolt, only to end up essentially where we were in 2005-06, with a "Win Now" mantra that is doomed to fail because it lacks the horsepower in the requisite areas.

We also don't have much in the way of "future" talent on the roster now. Most (sane) people were still extremely enthusiastic about the 2008 draft class in 2009, and Hali and Bowe were both still young. I think people had mostly given up on DJ at that point. But either way, who do we have now like that, that would give any semblence of hope? Houston? Is there anyone else at all? The rest of the "core" (Hali, Bowe, etc) is all 4 years older now, and more likely to decline than to improve. We don't have a big boon of a draft class to start with like we did then.

I think it's entirely possible we're in as deep a hole now as we were then, roster wise.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-13-2013, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

#34 in a deep draft is an extremely valuable pick if your FO is competent.

2009 is worse than this year, but that doesn't mean it's more disappointing. We had been through two terrible years on the field before 2009. This year has compounded those two years with three other abysmal ones, plus the public humiliation of the franchise, scandal, and a fan revolt, only to end up essentially where we were in 2005-06, with a "Win Now" mantra that is doomed to fail because it lacks the horsepower in the requisite areas.

The biggest difference between 2009 and 2013 for me is coaching.

The Chiefs went from a Super Bowl coach in Vermeil to a playoff coach in Edwards to an inexperienced butt****ing asshole in Haley to maybe the most incompetent head coach in franchise history in Crennel, to a guy that coached his teams to five straight NFC Championships and a Super Bowl.

I see Reid and Dorsey replicating the 2001 Chiefs by passing on a QB in the draft in favor of a QB that can win now. The coaching staff seems solid and there's definitely a plan in place.

Personally, I see this offseason as a success to date.

keg in kc · 03-13-2013, 01:50 AM

I haven't seen much from Reid since 2006 that would indicate he's any great shakes. His teams have been mediocre at best since then, and the last two years have been some of the most embarrassing debacles I can ever remember seeing in the NFL. Fantasy (on paper) rosters that just fall apart on the field. It's been fun to watch in a morbid sense, even with what's been going on here. And that's saying something.

**DaneMcCloud** · 03-13-2013, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I haven't seen much from Reid since 2006 that would indicate he's any great shakes. His teams have been mediocre at best since then, and the last two years have been some of the most embarrassing debacles I can ever remember seeing in the NFL. Fantasy (on paper) rosters that just fall apart on the field. It's been fun to watch in a morbid sense, even with what's been going on here. And that's saying something.

A big part of that has to do with taking on personnel and making poor decisions.

There is no way that Andy Reid = Romeo Crennel.

ratchet · 03-13-2013, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

I'm glad you're optimistic! I disagree with you on 2 & 3........but only time will tell. Heck id love Alex Smith to step in and just pick up right where he left off.....and even get better.

Truthfully last season just killed any optimism I had. Plus I have seen a ton of Alex Smith......not just the last 2 years.

I should probably just stop vcomplaining about Alex now that's its done.

LETS GO CHIEFS

much respect for this post. let's all support this team and alex. If alex picks up where he left off which was an ascending direction then this team can be great.

RunKC · 03-13-2013, 04:14 AM

You guys are missing the biggest difference between this regime and the Pioli regime: Andy Reid won't stand bad QB play.

If Alex Smith starts sucking ass, he's going to draft a QB and replace him. There is no free pass.

03-12-2013, 03:48 PM
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Could this end up being a more disappointing offseason than 2009? I'm thinking purely personnel moves. The coaching staff has a better pedigree, even if Reid is basically the last guy I wanted here. But player-wise? What are we looking at here? Now this is not really a "draft Geno/Barkely/whoever" thing, it's more of a "how ****ed are we as fans of this franchise?" commentary. About the circumstances we, as fans, find ourselves in. I mean, think about it: we get the number one pick and for whatever reason, whether it's the prospects at the position or the front office philosophy, we aren't taking a QB. We get a complete turnover of the front office and coaching staff that basically everyone wanted, and Matt Cassel will be shown the door, to everyone's joy....yet our new quarterback is Alex frikkin Smith. With Chase Daniel serving as his boy wonder. Does it get worse than this? Seriously. You couldn't script this stuff. This is like the Bad News Bears and the Indians from Major League had a baby who decided to play football. "Change" comes every 5 years or so, but nothing ever seems to get any better. The football gods continue laughing.
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03-13-2013, 12:45 AM	#182
BigChiefFan MVP Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: In the Top 10 Casino cash: $9924205	Besides retaining our own players, the other moves just aren't doing it for me. For comparsion... DeVito replaces Dorsey-wash. Smith replaces Cassel-slight improvement. Wash. Dunta Robinson replaces Routt? Was he even a Chief? Robinson's decent, but he's an average DB at best. We're not much better, IMO and I used to be a homer at times. We need a big time FA. __________________ A 35 year drought can make you thirsty.
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AussieChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney, Australia Casino cash: $5688501	I doubt it. The 2008 team was much worse (atleast it seems) than the 2012 team. Obviously, hindsight is 20/20 but this isn't Pioli anymore, and there seems to be a 'win-now' attitude that Dorsey and Reid have shown.
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03-13-2013, 01:03 AM	#186
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	#34 in a deep draft is an extremely valuable pick if your FO is competent. 2009 is worse than this year, but that doesn't mean it's more disappointing. We had been through two terrible years on the field before 2009. This year has compounded those two years with three other abysmal ones, plus the public humiliation of the franchise, scandal, and a fan revolt, only to end up essentially where we were in 2005-06, with a "Win Now" mantra that is doomed to fail because it lacks the horsepower in the requisite areas. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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03-13-2013, 01:50 AM	#192
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	I haven't seen much from Reid since 2006 that would indicate he's any great shakes. His teams have been mediocre at best since then, and the last two years have been some of the most embarrassing debacles I can ever remember seeing in the NFL. Fantasy (on paper) rosters that just fall apart on the field. It's been fun to watch in a morbid sense, even with what's been going on here. And that's saying something.
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03-13-2013, 04:14 AM	#195
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1720389	You guys are missing the biggest difference between this regime and the Pioli regime: Andy Reid won't stand bad QB play. If Alex Smith starts sucking ass, he's going to draft a QB and replace him. There is no free pass. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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