Two 1st round picks for Russell Wilson in '16 and '17 or '17 and '18

[Discuss Thrower]

Clayton on show seems to hint that SEA would be open to non-exclusive Tag for RW in 2016- seems surprising but SEA will study all avenues

— DAVIS HSU (@DavisHsuSeattle) June 20, 2015

Do you sign the offer sheet if the Seahawks non-exclusively tag Russell Wilson?

Pole cumming.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by -King-

I'll do tiers of Qbs instead of ranks.

Tier 1:
Aaron Rodgers
Andrew Luck
Tom Brady
Peyton Manning

Tier 2:
Tony Romo
Ben Roethlisberger
Philip Rivers
Drew Brees

Tier 3:
Matt Ryan
Russell Wilson
Alex Smith
Joe Flacco
Cam Newton

Tier 4:
Eli Manning
Jay Cutler
Andy Dalton
Matt Stafford
Colin Kaepernick

Tier 5:
Rest of the quarterbacks.


I think the quarterbacks in each tier are pretty much interchangeable with one another.

Wilson is better than everyone in his tier. Come on now. In your scenario, he's top 10 at worst.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Potentially.

There is potential for higher reward but also comes with more risk. I don't think you're stressing that enough.

You really have to weigh the risk vs reward. Passing the ball isn't always the best option.

Sorry, with that defense, I'm not gonna stress it.

Obviously, the way the offense plays allows the defense to play the way it does. If he's out there throwing up 4 picks a game or putting the defense in the red zone multiple times, it's gonna kill it.

They play to their strengths. No problem with that.

I am curious to see how Wilson plays when he doesn't have said defense to fall back on. I'm also not really one that cares too much about the running aspect of his game. He's great at it and doesn't take many hits, but it's only going to take 1 and if I'm giving him a monster deal, I've gotta have him on the field.

I think that offense will be alot better with their additions this offseason, though I think the loss of the center they traded will hurt the run game some, but graham will help alot.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Wilson is better than everyone in his tier. Come on now. In your scenario, he's top 10 at worst.

How is he better than Matt Ryan? Would Matt Ryan not have a superbowl victory if he played with Seattle instead of Atlanta? If his defense gave up 18 points per game in the playoffs instead of 31?

And that's the whole point of tiers. You can be better than everyone in your tier, but that doesn't mean you are good enough for the tier above. Right now, for the year 2015, I wouldn't trade Russell Wilson for any of the QBs in tier 2.

[O.city]

Luck is just asked to do so much more within his offense. I'd like to see wilson be given that type of rope and let him throw it around, he's extremely intelligent I think he could do it well.

[NWTF]

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

We gave two 2nds for smith. same QB.

Almost, except Wilson will try to win a game at all costs. Smith is content to run out the clock in a loosing effort knowing he had no turnovers on the day.
Sure hed like to win the game, but taking greater risks to accomplish that just isnt worth it.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Lmao. The 4 INT game. The one where he made so many clutch plays after 9/10 QBs would've folded including a beautiful pass to win the game in overtime on a play he checked into ...

Yeah man. Keep grasping for those straws.

It's hilarious that Tom Brady is the greatest because of his postseason record but Russell Wilson is Alex Smith with a defense and a RB

***NEWSFLASH***

The best defense in the Super Bowl was New England. They had a better game plan and a better team.

One guy kept Seattle in that game and also had them the game. One guy. Wilson played such a great Super Bowl and people in this board still only wanted to categorize it as "ok."

Just so dumb. So, so dumb.

Let me ask you this...if we build a team like the Seahawks with a strong running game and defense with some weapons, which is entirely possible due to the following:

-JC is just as good as Lynch
-Chiefs defense, while maybe not as good, is absolutely top 5 worthy.
-Kelce and Maclin are very good targets.

Do you think we can make the SB with Alex under those circumstances?

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by O.city

Sorry, with that defense, I'm not gonna stress it.



Obviously, the way the offense plays allows the defense to play the way it does. If he's out there throwing up 4 picks a game or putting the defense in the red zone multiple times, it's gonna kill it.



They play to their strengths. No problem with that.



I am curious to see how Wilson plays when he doesn't have said defense to fall back on. I'm also not really one that cares too much about the running aspect of his game. He's great at it and doesn't take many hits, but it's only going to take 1 and if I'm giving him a monster deal, I've gotta have him on the field.



I think that offense will be alot better with their additions this offseason, though I think the loss of the center they traded will hurt the run game some, but graham will help alot.

The worry about Wilson eating a big hit is way overblown.

He's not a true run-first QB like Mike Vick and he's about as intelligent as can be when it comes to avoiding the big hit. He's not a dumbass like RGIII.

[O.city]

Looking at those tiers, there's gonna be alot of qbs leaving the nfl soon.

Brady manning and Brees have to be getting close, rivers ain't no spring chicken.

Hell, even romo and big Ben are getting up there.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

The worry about Wilson eating a big hit is way overblown.

He's not a true run-first QB like Mike Vick and he's about as intelligent as can be when it comes to avoiding the big hit. He's not a dumbass like RGIII.

Frankly, while true, personally I don't care. Hypothetically here, I'm the gm. For a contract like he's apparently wanting, I don't want my guy running as much as he does.

[RunKC]

I know people rag on Flacco, but why would you not take this guy? Dude had a very good statistical year and he's been MONEY in the playoffs.

17 TD's to 2 INT's the last two postseasons and he's played great ball in New England multiple times.

The guy is one of the best postseason QB's in the NFL. He's absolutely a top 10 QB. You would be hard pressed to find 10 QB's you would want over him.

I would take him over a guy like Rivers any day.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by O.city

Looking at those tiers, there's gonna be alot of qbs leaving the nfl soon.

Brady manning and Brees have to be getting close, rivers ain't no spring chicken.

Hell, even romo and big Ben are getting up there.

Yep. A lot of the very elite QBs in the league are on their way out. Wilson is part of the new school that can hopefully take their place.

[NWTF]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

People on this board have overrated draft picks for years. Two firsts for a franchise QB would be like trading two 10 speed bicycles for a Porsche

Or to put it another way would you give up the last two 1st rd picks Fisher and Ford for Russell Wilson. Of course everybody would. Well, except Seattle.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by -King-

How is he better than Matt Ryan? Would Matt Ryan not have a superbowl victory if he played with Seattle instead of Atlanta? If his defense gave up 18 points per game in the playoffs instead of 31?



And that's the whole point of tiers. You can be better than everyone in your tier, but that doesn't mean you are good enough for the tier above. Right now, for the year 2015, I wouldn't trade Russell Wilson for any of the QBs in tier 2.

That's debatable. Wilson almost out-dueled Ryan on his home turf in Russ's rookie season. And that was before the LOB was the LOB.

In your ranking Russ is the best QB in his tier.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

That's debatable. Wilson almost out-dueled Ryan on his home turf in Russ's rookie season. And that was before the LOB was the LOB.

In your ranking Russ is the best QB in his tier.

Yeah it's debatable. That's why I think in each tier, it basically comes down to personal preference which QB is better than which. But there is a gap between tiers.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I know people rag on Flacco, but why would you not take this guy? Dude had a very good statistical year and he's been MONEY in the playoffs.

17 TD's to 2 INT's the last two postseasons and he's played great ball in New England multiple times.

The guy is one of the best postseason QB's in the NFL. He's absolutely a top 10 QB. You would be hard pressed to find 10 QB's you would want over him.

I would take him over a guy like Rivers any day.

Like wilson, he's gotten to play in one of if not the most stable nfl franchise in terms of talent and overall stability. He also has scattershot accuracy and is basically a hot/cold chucker.

He does seem to have that mental edge though. And when he's hot, he's tough to beat