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Old 12-28-2019, 12:36 PM  
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****NFL Season Ending Pink Slips****
And before end of season-Mods-Feel free to add/edit as needed.

Fired-

Washington Redskins -Jay Gruden HC
Carolina Panthers-Ron Rivera HC
Jacksonville Jaguars-Tom Coughlin-GM
Cleveland Browns-Freddy Kitchens-HC
Washington Redskins-Bruce Allen-President
New York Giants-Pat Schurmer-HC
Dallas Cowboys-Entire coaching staff!!!! (rumored)
Cleveland Browns-John Dorsey-GM "mutual decision"
Dallas Cowboys-Jason Garrett-HC
Los Angeles Rams-Wade Phillips-DC

Hot seat-

Cleveland Browns-Everyone but the owner


Hired-
Washington Redskins-Ron Rivera (confirmed)
Dallas Cowboys-Mike McCarthy HC
Cleveland Brown (the color of poop)-Kevin Stefanski HC (from OC Vikes)

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Jacksonville Jaguars-Doug Marrone-HC
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Old 12-30-2019, 06:55 PM   #181
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Old 12-30-2019, 07:01 PM   #182
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He is an outstanding talent guy, dude can find talent. His big drawback though is he cares about talent above all, if you were building a madden team that is great..in the NFL though that requires a bit more nuance.

John Dorsey ****ed up by not realizing his own limitations. Yes he will give you some outstanding talent but he can't hire a first time coach. He needs a coach who knows how to handle players and issues because Dorsey does not care about character and locker room, he cares about talent.

He's damn good at assembling a roster of talented dudes but he doesn't really consider how these guys mesh or attitude problems etc.
Exactly this and many of us called it when Kitchens was hired. Ron Rivera, from this year's crop, is the guy they needed. Someone the players can trust and respect.
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Old 12-30-2019, 07:09 PM   #183
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Rivera would be smart to think long and hard before getting in bed with Dan Snyder. Same statement applies with Jerry Jones of course.
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Old 12-30-2019, 07:12 PM   #184
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and I doubt that Dorsey would want to spar with McCarthy on a weekly basis, but who knows?
It's not like they don't know each other.
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Old 12-30-2019, 07:13 PM   #185
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I'm not so sure Dorsey was this brilliant evaluator of talent everybody thought/thinks he is/was. He certainly did some good while he was here, but he also signed some CAP unfriendly contracts and was a piece of shit, more or less, when it came to being a "people person"
I said it when he was here, when he left and when he went to Cleveland.

He's a good scout, but makes for a shitty General Manager. He can identify some talent, but can't manage things well at all.

Had no idea how to put in a long term plan, no concept of what a strong team exactly entailed of or what particular players were actually worth.

He mostly excelled at just plugging in whatever the top of the board looked like: when the Chiefs had first crack at all the cuts in 2013 and siphoned a bunch of the NFC West cuts. Again in Cleveland where he had a pool of picks and picked early every round.

He can't actually manage a vision or paint the big picture of what a long term winner should consist of. He's just putting names in places without much thought how it'll all come together.
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Old 12-30-2019, 07:20 PM   #186
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He is an outstanding talent guy, dude can find talent. His big drawback though is he cares about talent above all, if you were building a madden team that is great..in the NFL though that requires a bit more nuance.

John Dorsey ****ed up by not realizing his own limitations. Yes he will give you some outstanding talent but he can't hire a first time coach. He needs a coach who knows how to handle players and issues because Dorsey does not care about character and locker room, he cares about talent.

He's damn good at assembling a roster of talented dudes but he doesn't really consider how these guys mesh or attitude problems etc.
The polar opposite is depodesta. A guy who will overanalyze reasons not to draft Wentz or Watson. Imagine if impulsive Dorsey was there for that draft... Browns wouldn't need to pick baker out of desperation. Oppositely, imagine if the Browns listened to depodesta and hired Kevin Stefanski instead of kitchens. These guys have lots of talent but they need each other to beat the moron out of them. Make Dorsey the scout, depodesta the voice of reason, and Eliot wolf the decision maker. Problem solved.
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Old 12-30-2019, 07:21 PM   #187
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I’m a Dorsey fan, but I think the general public give him a bit too much credit in the Chiefs turn around. Reid has always been the main man in KC
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Old 12-30-2019, 07:23 PM   #188
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It's not like they don't know each other.
Yeah. And maybe that's part of the reason why they parted ways after a while. I don't know. What I do know is that Dorsey seems to have a problem with strong-willed coaches, hence the Kitchens hiring, as opposed to hiring Gregg Williams, a known head-strong personality. Who was a much better choice for HC over Freddie in every conceivable way except his dominating personality.

Maybe I'm wrong though.
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Old 12-30-2019, 07:32 PM   #189
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Yeah. And maybe that's part of the reason why they parted ways after a while. I don't know. What I do know is that Dorsey seems to have a problem with strong-willed coaches, hence the Kitchens hiring, as opposed to hiring Gregg Williams, a known head-strong personality. Who was a much better choice for HC over Freddie in every conceivable way except his dominating personality.

Maybe I'm wrong though.
Dorsey knows these Alpha male HCs want to the call the shots on personnel and why Kitchens was hired along with being much cheaper. Dorsey showing his King Carl by hiring Kitchens for sure and to your point. Once Marty was asked to step down King Carl never hired an Alpha Male Coach again that wanted total control even Vermeil wasn't that way and the only requirement for Vermiel was getting Trent Green because that defense needed fixing bad and King Carl did nothing when he could have. That cost us a couple of SBs no doubt with that HOF o-line with PH going off every week while Green matriculated the offense right down the field. But no defense, just a damn shame.
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The Browns requested permission to interview Vikings offensive coordinator Kevin Stefanski again for its head-coaching vacancy, according to multiple reports from Cleveland.
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