Chiefs The roster as it stands - Page 13

Phoneix · 02:29 PM

My 2022 Game 1 roster guesses:

QB - Mahomes/Henne/Buechele
RB - CEH/McKinnon/Pacheco
FB - Burton
WR1 - MVS/ Hardman/Watson
WR2 - Juju/Moore/Fountain OR Coleman
TE - Kelce/Bell/Gray/Fortson
RT - Wylie/Christian
RG - Smith/Caliendo
C - Humphrey/Reiter
LG - Thuney/Allegretii
LT - OBJ

O = 26

LDE - Karlaftis/Danna
LDT - Nandi/Wharton
RDT - Jones/Saunders
RDE - Clark/Dunlap
WLB - Bolton/Harris
MLB - Gay/Carter
SLB - Lee/Chenal
LCB - McDuffie/Fenton/Lammons
RCB - Sneed/Williams/Watson
SS - Reid/Cook
FS - Thornhill/Bush

D = 24

ST
Butker
Townsend
Winchester

PTW- PS
Crum - PS
Franks - Release
Ealy - Release
Fleet-Davis - PS
Jones - Release
Gore - PS
Powell - PS
Gordon - Release
Kinnard - PS
Niang - IR
Bootle - PS
Key - Release
Barcoo - Released
Johnson - Released
Anderson - PS
Kaindoh - PS

Just trying to keep up....makes it a little more clear to be able to see needs/wants

QB - Mahomes/Henne/Buchele
RB - CEH/Jones/Gore/Pacheco
FB - Burton
WR1 - Hardman/MVS/Coleman/Dieter
WR2 - Juju/Moore/Gordon/Powell/Fountain
TE - Kelce/Bell/Gray/Fortson
RT - Niang/Wylie/Christian/Kinnard
RG - Smith
C - Humphrey/Reiter
LG - Thuney/Allegretti
LT - OBJ/PTW
LDE - Karlaftis/Danna
LDT - Nandi/Wharton
RDT - Jones/Saunders
RDE - Clark/Kaindoh
WLB - Harris/Chenal
MLB - Bolton/Carter
SLB - Gay/Lee
LCB - Fenton/McDuffie/Bootle/Watson
RCB - Sneed/Baker/Williams/Barcoo/Johnson
SS - Reid/Key/Cook
FS - Thornhill/Bush/Anderson

Salaries in the spoilers

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson8

I really like this roster and think with the draft, it is really going to be looking good.

Below I am showing the Chiefs roster along with their contracts. Also added within each position group, a draft slot that we have and what the Chiefs MIGHT be able to draft with that position.

I'm not married to the results. I know we can trade and move around. Just want to show a possibility.

Offense -

Quarterbacks (3/2)
• 15 Patrick Mahomes, Age 26, 6-3, 227, (2022 $35.8M, 2023 46.8M…2031 $52.5)
• 4 Chad Henne, Age 37, 6-3, 215, ($3,265,000)
• 6 Shane Buechele, Age 23. 6-0, 208, (2022 $825K, 2023 ERFA)

Running backs (5/5) Draft (135) Ty Chandler, North Carolina, Rachaad White, Arizona State, Tyler Badie, Missouri, Pierre Strong, South Dakota State, or Dameon Pierce, Florida

• 45 Michael Burton FB, Age 29, 6-0, 243, (2022, $1,047,500)
• 25 Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Age 22, 5-8, 205, (2022 $2.9M, 2023 3.4M)
• Ronald Jones II, Age 25, 5-11, 208, (2022 Max $5M)
• 40 Derrick Gore, Age 27, 5-10, 207, (2022 ERFA $825)
• Brendon Knox, Age 23, 5-11, 220, Signed to Futures contract $705

o 1 Jerick McKinnon Age 29, 5-9. 201, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned
o 31 Darrel Williams, Age 26, 5-11, 219, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned

Wide receivers (13/6) Draft (29) Drake London, USC, Chris Olave, Ohio State, Treylon Burks, Arkansas, Skyy Moore, Western Michigan, or Jahan Dotson, Penn State

• 17 Mecole Hardman, Age 23, 5-10, 180, (2022 $4.399M)
• 11 Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Age 27, 6-4, 206 (3yr $30M)
• 9 JuJu Smith-Schuster Age 25, 6-1, 215 (2022 $2.89M)
• Corey Coleman, Age 27, 5-10, 185, (2022 $965K)
• 19 Josh Gordon, Age 30, 6-3, 238, Re-signed to Futures contract, $895K
• 12 Gehrig Dieter, Age 28, 6-3, 208 Re-signed to Futures contract, $895K
• 82 Daurice Fountain, Age 26, 6-1, 212 Re-signed to Futures contract $965K
• 14 Cornell Powell, Age 24, 6-0, 210 Re-signed to Futures contract $705K
• Chris Finke, Age 25, 5-10, 184, Signed to Futures contract. $705K
• Justin Watson, Age 25, 6-3, 215, Signed to Futures contract. $895K
• Omar Bayless, Age 25, 6-1, 210, Signed to Futures contract. $705K
• Mathew Sexton, Age 24, 5-11, 175, Signed to Futures contract. $705K
• Gary Jennings, Age 24, 6-1, 216, Signed to Futures contract. $825K

o 10 Tyreek Hill, Age 27, 5-10, 185, Miami Dolphins 4yr $120M
o 13 Byron Pringle, Age 28, 6-1, 201, Chicago Bears 1yr $4.125M
o 11 Demarcus Robinson, Age 27, 6-1, 202, Las Vegas Raiders 1yr $1,187M
o 85 Marcus Kemp Age 26, 6-4, 208, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned

Tight ends (9/3) Draft (121) Jelani Woods, Virginia, Jeremy Ruckert, Ohio State, Charlie Kolar, Iowa State, or Jelen Wydermyer, Texas A&M

• 83 Noah Gray, Age 22, 6-4, 243, (2022 $903K, 2023 $1.018M, 2024 $1.133M)
• 87 Travis Kelce, Age 32, 6-5, 256, (2022 $8.9M, 2023 $14.65M, 2024 $16.4M, 2025 $18.65M)
• 88 Jody Fortson, Age 26, 6-6, 240 (2022 ERFA $825K) PUP/IR
• 81 Blake Bell, Age 30, 6-6, 260, (2022 ?)
• 48 Nakia Griffin-Stewart, Age 25, 6-5, 260 Re-signed to Futures contract. $705 K
• 80 Mark Vital TE, Age 25, 6-5, 250, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705 K
• Jordan Franks, 6-4, 250, Signed to Futures contract. $825 K
• Josh Pederson, Age 24, 6-5. 235, Signed to Futures contract. $705 K
• 84 Matt Bushman, Age 26, 6-5, 245, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705 K

Offensive Linemen (12/10) Draft (94) Kellen Diesch, Arizona State. Cordell Volson, North Dakota State, Rasheed Walker, Penn State, Max Mitchell, Louisiana, or Braxton Jones Southern Utah Late round (251) Austin Deculus, LSU

• 73 Nick Allegretti G, Age 25, 6-4, 315, (2022 $1.003M)
• 57 Orlando Brown Jr. T, Age 25, 6-8, 363, (2022 Tag, $16,6M) Contract Projection: ($21M per year).
• 52 Creed Humphrey C, Age 22, 6-5, 309, (2022 $1.264M. 2023 $1.517M, 2024 $1.770M)
• 67 Lucas Niang T, Age 23, 6-6, 339, (2022 $1.071M. 2023 $1.207M, 2024 $1.321M) PUP/IR
• 65 Trey Smith G, Age 22, 6-6, 329, (2022 $857K. 2023 $972K, 2024 $1.087M)
• 70 Prince Tega Wanogho T, Age 24, 6-5, 303, (2022 $825K, 2023 ERFA)
• 62 Joe Thuney G, Age 29, 6-5, 304, (2022 $8.1M. 2023 $22.1M, 2024 $22.6M, 2025 $22.6M)
• 77 Andrew Wylie T/G, Age 28, 6-6, 310, (2022 $1,187,500)
• Geron Christian OT, Age 26, 6-5, 303, (2022 $1,047,500)
• 64 Darryl Williams C, Age 24, 6-2, 304, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705 K
• Roderick Johnson OT, Age 26, 6-6, 300, Re-signed to Futures contract. $965 K
• Austin Reiter, Age 30, 6-3, 300 (2022 ?)

o 66 Austin Blythe C, Age 29, 6-2, 280, Seattle Seahawks 1yr $4M
o 69 Kyle Long G, Age 33, 6-6, 332, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned
o 75 Mike Remmers T (IR), Age 32, 6-5, 301, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson8

I really like this roster and think with the draft, it is really going to be looking good.

Below I am showing the Chiefs roster along with their contracts. Also added within each position group, a draft slot that we have and what the Chiefs MIGHT be able to draft with that position.

I'm not married to the results. I know we can trade and move around. Just want to show a possibility.

Offense -

Quarterbacks (3/2)
• 15 Patrick Mahomes, Age 26, 6-3, 227, (2022 $35.8M, 2023 46.8M…2031 $52.5)
• 4 Chad Henne, Age 37, 6-3, 215, ($3,265,000)
• 6 Shane Buechele, Age 23. 6-0, 208, (2022 $825K, 2023 ERFA)

Running backs (5/5) Draft (135) Ty Chandler, North Carolina, Rachaad White, Arizona State, Tyler Badie, Missouri, Pierre Strong, South Dakota State, or Dameon Pierce, Florida

• 45 Michael Burton FB, Age 29, 6-0, 243, (2022, $1,047,500)
• 25 Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Age 22, 5-8, 205, (2022 $2.9M, 2023 3.4M)
• Ronald Jones II, Age 25, 5-11, 208, (2022 Max $5M)
• 40 Derrick Gore, Age 27, 5-10, 207, (2022 ERFA $825)
• Brendon Knox, Age 23, 5-11, 220, Signed to Futures contract $705

o 1 Jerick McKinnon Age 29, 5-9. 201, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned
o 31 Darrel Williams, Age 26, 5-11, 219, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned

Wide receivers (13/6) Draft (29) Drake London, USC, Chris Olave, Ohio State, Treylon Burks, Arkansas, Skyy Moore, Western Michigan, or Jahan Dotson, Penn State

• 17 Mecole Hardman, Age 23, 5-10, 180, (2022 $4.399M)
• 11 Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Age 27, 6-4, 206 (3yr $30M)
• 9 JuJu Smith-Schuster Age 25, 6-1, 215 (2022 $2.89M)
• Corey Coleman, Age 27, 5-10, 185, (2022 $965K)
• 19 Josh Gordon, Age 30, 6-3, 238, Re-signed to Futures contract, $895K
• 12 Gehrig Dieter, Age 28, 6-3, 208 Re-signed to Futures contract, $895K
• 82 Daurice Fountain, Age 26, 6-1, 212 Re-signed to Futures contract $965K
• 14 Cornell Powell, Age 24, 6-0, 210 Re-signed to Futures contract $705K
• Chris Finke, Age 25, 5-10, 184, Signed to Futures contract. $705K
• Justin Watson, Age 25, 6-3, 215, Signed to Futures contract. $895K
• Omar Bayless, Age 25, 6-1, 210, Signed to Futures contract. $705K
• Mathew Sexton, Age 24, 5-11, 175, Signed to Futures contract. $705K
• Gary Jennings, Age 24, 6-1, 216, Signed to Futures contract. $825K

o 10 Tyreek Hill, Age 27, 5-10, 185, Miami Dolphins 4yr $120M
o 13 Byron Pringle, Age 28, 6-1, 201, Chicago Bears 1yr $4.125M
o 11 Demarcus Robinson, Age 27, 6-1, 202, Las Vegas Raiders 1yr $1,187M
o 85 Marcus Kemp Age 26, 6-4, 208, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned

Tight ends (9/3) Draft (121) Jelani Woods, Virginia, Jeremy Ruckert, Ohio State, Charlie Kolar, Iowa State, or Jelen Wydermyer, Texas A&M

• 83 Noah Gray, Age 22, 6-4, 243, (2022 $903K, 2023 $1.018M, 2024 $1.133M)
• 87 Travis Kelce, Age 32, 6-5, 256, (2022 $8.9M, 2023 $14.65M, 2024 $16.4M, 2025 $18.65M)
• 88 Jody Fortson, Age 26, 6-6, 240 (2022 ERFA $825K) PUP/IR
• 81 Blake Bell, Age 30, 6-6, 260, (2022 ?)
• 48 Nakia Griffin-Stewart, Age 25, 6-5, 260 Re-signed to Futures contract. $705 K
• 80 Mark Vital TE, Age 25, 6-5, 250, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705 K
• Jordan Franks, 6-4, 250, Signed to Futures contract. $825 K
• Josh Pederson, Age 24, 6-5. 235, Signed to Futures contract. $705 K
• 84 Matt Bushman, Age 26, 6-5, 245, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705 K

Offensive Linemen (12/10) Draft (94) Kellen Diesch, Arizona State. Cordell Volson, North Dakota State, Rasheed Walker, Penn State, Max Mitchell, Louisiana, or Braxton Jones Southern Utah Late round (251) Austin Deculus, LSU

• 73 Nick Allegretti G, Age 25, 6-4, 315, (2022 $1.003M)
• 57 Orlando Brown Jr. T, Age 25, 6-8, 363, (2022 Tag, $16,6M) Contract Projection: ($21M per year).
• 52 Creed Humphrey C, Age 22, 6-5, 309, (2022 $1.264M. 2023 $1.517M, 2024 $1.770M)
• 67 Lucas Niang T, Age 23, 6-6, 339, (2022 $1.071M. 2023 $1.207M, 2024 $1.321M) PUP/IR
• 65 Trey Smith G, Age 22, 6-6, 329, (2022 $857K. 2023 $972K, 2024 $1.087M)
• 70 Prince Tega Wanogho T, Age 24, 6-5, 303, (2022 $825K, 2023 ERFA)
• 62 Joe Thuney G, Age 29, 6-5, 304, (2022 $8.1M. 2023 $22.1M, 2024 $22.6M, 2025 $22.6M)
• 77 Andrew Wylie T/G, Age 28, 6-6, 310, (2022 $1,187,500)
• Geron Christian OT, Age 26, 6-5, 303, (2022 $1,047,500)
• 64 Darryl Williams C, Age 24, 6-2, 304, Re-signed to Futures contract. $705 K
• Roderick Johnson OT, Age 26, 6-6, 300, Re-signed to Futures contract. $965 K
• Austin Reiter, Age 30, 6-3, 300 (2022 ?)

o 66 Austin Blythe C, Age 29, 6-2, 280, Seattle Seahawks 1yr $4M
o 69 Kyle Long G, Age 33, 6-6, 332, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned
o 75 Mike Remmers T (IR), Age 32, 6-5, 301, (2022 Free Agent) unsigned

-King- · 03-29-2022, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

man, you just don't pay whatever they demand. Tyreek was wanting to be the highest paid WR in football. Doing that directly means minus 5 draft picks (including a #1, #2, two #4's, and a #6) plus the $75m in cap space over the next 3 years that we won't be paying Hill. That's a huge difference. This team wasn't good enough to get it done the last two seasons. Keeping Hill would've meant treading water. Better to rip the bandaid off and restock the cupboard.

I'm sorry you are still pissed. I didn't want to trade him either. But he's gone, and selling high like that brought a hell of a haul, and the team will be better off. I totally get why Veach and Andy did it, and I'm impressed, actually; I was expecting Andy to be sentimental and hold on to these guys for too long.

This is how you compete for championships for the entirety of your generational QB's career. You sell high, you buy low, and you draft well.

Better get used to it. It'll be Jones next off-season, bank on it.

And that'll be okay, too.

Well Chris Jones barely gives you solid production much less elite production so there's a tad bit difference between him and Tyreek.

And how is keeping hill mean treading water? Does that apply to Kelce too? Or Mahomes? That literally makes no sense.

They lost a Superbowl because Eric Fisher got injured the previous game and the O-line was a ****ing mess and because Patrick Mahomes literally forgot how to play football in a half and the defense couldn't pressure the worst line in football. How does that equal Tyreek being a reason this team is "treading water"?

Chris Meck · 03-29-2022, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Well Chris Jones barely gives you solid production much less elite production so there's a tad bit difference between him and Tyreek.

And how is keeping hill mean treading water? Does that apply to Kelce too? Or Mahomes? That literally makes no sense.

They lost a Superbowl because Eric Fisher got injured the previous game and the O-line was a ****ing mess and because Patrick Mahomes literally forgot how to play football in a half and the defense couldn't pressure the worst line in football. How does that equal Tyreek being a reason this team is "treading water"?

Yep. i'm done.

TwistedChief · 03-29-2022, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

They lost a Superbowl because Eric Fisher got injured the previous game and the O-line was a ****ing mess and because Patrick Mahomes literally forgot how to play football in a half and the defense couldn't pressure the worst line in football. How does that equal Tyreek being a reason this team is "treading water"?

This is all kinda selective memory.

We had a dominant record in 2020 but we were hardly a dominant team. Our margin of victory in the latter part of the season was infinitesimally small yet we found ways to win. Great team or great luck? In 2021, we had major pockets of inconsistency on both sides of the ball at various points throughout the season. Half the people here didn't think we'd win the AFC West in late October and that didn't seem far-fetched. We nearly lost to the Bills in a game that would've dramatically changed the narrative about just how close we were.

The Raiders got Jones and Adams. The Chargers got Jackson and Mack amongst others. The Broncos got Wilson and Gregory.

Even if we were able to keep the same team from the prior year - which we couldn't due because of cap limitations - we would've been treading water in a division and conference which was going all in.

Chris Meck · 03-29-2022, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

This is all kinda selective memory.

We had a dominant record in 2020 but we were hardly a dominant team. Our margin of victory in the latter part of the season was infinitesimally small yet we found ways to win. Great team or great luck? In 2021, we had major pockets of inconsistency on both sides of the ball at various points throughout the season. Half the people here didn't think we'd win the AFC West in late October and that didn't seem far-fetched. We nearly lost to the Bills in a game that would've dramatically changed the narrative about just how close we were.

The Raiders got Jones and Adams. The Chargers got Jackson and Mack amongst others. The Broncos got Wilson and Gregory.

Even if we were able to keep the same team from the prior year - which we couldn't due because of cap limitations - we would've been treading water in a division and conference which was going all in.

We weren't good enough. Not deep enough, too many weak spots, too many underperforming players on big contracts (not Tyreek) and too many scrubs playing too many minutes.

With the Tyreek haul of draft picks and the cap space, we might get as many as...what...6 or 7 good players? if Veach hits on his draft percentage from last year, plus a couple or three FA's? That's a huge influx of talent.

This TEAM needs to be better. This is a great way to remake your roster in a meaningful and FAST way. Sorry to see him go, but it allows a rebuild on the fly.

-King- · 03-29-2022, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Yep. i'm done.

Why did you have none of these thoughts until AFTER he was traded?

Someone wrote a long post about why he should be traded including the financial reasons and your response was an adamant

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

NO.

What changed? Break out the calculator again?

-King- · 03-29-2022, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

We weren't good enough. Not deep enough, too many weak spots, too many underperforming players on big contracts (not Tyreek) and too many scrubs playing too many minutes.

With the Tyreek haul of draft picks and the cap space, we might get as many as...what...6 or 7 good players? if Veach hits on his draft percentage from last year, plus a couple or three FA's? That's a huge influx of talent.

This TEAM needs to be better. This is a great way to remake your roster in a meaningful and FAST way. Sorry to see him go, but it allows a rebuild on the fly.

Good thing we cut the underperforming player then...

And trading 28 (as if 3 weeks ago) superstars isn't rebuilding on the fly. Do you guys think he was going to fall off in 3 years or something?

Chris Meck · 03-30-2022, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Why did you have none of these thoughts until AFTER he was traded?

Someone wrote a long post about why he should be traded including the financial reasons and your response was an adamant

What changed? Break out the calculator again?

Everything I've posted since details my stance. But I'll put it here, in one post for you, and then I'm done talking about it, as it's a waste of time. What's done is done, and complaining ad nauseum about it is stupid.

I was against trading Hill. What? Why would you trade your second best player!? Hell no.

And yet they did. So I looked closer.

This team was in clear decline. Play-off caliber still, but the last two years showed it was not good enough. The other teams in the AFC were loading up with WR and Edge talent to beat KC. Even Denver would have a legit QB now. Cinci was attacking their OL situation; and we couldn't beat them in two tries as is. Raiders added Adams. Bills added Miller. Chargers loading up, too. All of these teams, going all in, to beat KC.

Could we pay Hill the top WR money and still keep him? Yeah, we could. Could we do that and add to the roster enough to stay/get ahead of these other contenders? No, probably not, but definitely not without pushing a lot of money forward. Thing about that is, the bill always comes due. So in a couple of seasons, With Mahomes at around 28 years old, we'd have to gut it all.

OR-what Veach did was just rip the band-aid off now. This team had shown it wasn't good enough as is for two seasons. We got spanked in that Super Bowl, and this past season Cinci beat us twice in what, 4 weeks? That's not good enough. And they're going to get better, along with The Bills, The Chargers, The Donkeys and even the damned Raiders.

So we could roll on for a couple of years, not getting significantly better, not able to make big changes, just maintaining status quo (treading water) with diminishing returns; and have to cut or trade guys like Hill in a couple of years, getting less or nothing in return for them.

OR what Veach did-sell high. Remake your roster on the fly FAST with 8 picks in the first four rounds, an influx of cap dollars not allocated to Hill, and try and get the team OVERALL in a better spot, with a healthier cap situation so that we can continue to contend even in the ridiculously loaded AFC.

No, I didn't want to trade Hill. I'm sure Veach didn't want to either. In hindsight, once I got over the shock, I understood. I get it. Too many holes, not enough talent, not enough cap dollars to spread it around without ****ing the future which you don't want to do with a 26 year old elite QB in the saddle. Moving Hill makes that possible. This is playing the long game. This is how you keep the SB window open for a decade or more.

So we won't have Hill, but the last two SB winners haven't had Tyreek Hill either, so it's not like it can't be done.

I was against it. Once it was done, I considered WHY and what the return was. And I embrace it. We weren't good enough the last two years. This is what The Patriots did for two decades of dominance. Sell high. Draft well. Build every year's team around your HOF QB and roll on.

You want to whine about it, whine on. It's pointless. It's done. What Veach and Andy do in this draft will mean everything going forward. Will we be The Patriots of 2000-2018? Or will we be Seattle?

I'm betting on Veach, Reid, and Mahomes.

It will be different going forward, but I think it can be BETTER overall.

-King- · 03-30-2022, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Everything I've posted since details my stance. But I'll put it here, in one post for you, and then I'm done talking about it, as it's a waste of time. What's done is done, and complaining ad nauseum about it is stupid.

I was against trading Hill. What? Why would you trade your second best player!? Hell no.

And yet they did. So I looked closer.

This team was in clear decline. Play-off caliber still, but the last two years showed it was not good enough. The other teams in the AFC were loading up with WR and Edge talent to beat KC. Even Denver would have a legit QB now. Cinci was attacking their OL situation; and we couldn't beat them in two tries as is. Raiders added Adams. Bills added Miller. Chargers loading up, too. All of these teams, going all in, to beat KC.

Could we pay Hill the top WR money and still keep him? Yeah, we could. Could we do that and add to the roster enough to stay/get ahead of these other contenders? No, probably not, but definitely not without pushing a lot of money forward. Thing about that is, the bill always comes due. So in a couple of seasons, With Mahomes at around 28 years old, we'd have to gut it all.

OR-what Veach did was just rip the band-aid off now. This team had shown it wasn't good enough as is for two seasons. We got spanked in that Super Bowl, and this past season Cinci beat us twice in what, 4 weeks? That's not good enough. And they're going to get better, along with The Bills, The Chargers, The Donkeys and even the damned Raiders.

So we could roll on for a couple of years, not getting significantly better, not able to make big changes, just maintaining status quo (treading water) with diminishing returns; and have to cut or trade guys like Hill in a couple of years, getting less or nothing in return for them.

OR what Veach did-sell high. Remake your roster on the fly FAST with 8 picks in the first four rounds, an influx of cap dollars not allocated to Hill, and try and get the team OVERALL in a better spot, with a healthier cap situation so that we can continue to contend even in the ridiculously loaded AFC.

No, I didn't want to trade Hill. I'm sure Veach didn't want to either. In hindsight, once I got over the shock, I understood. I get it. Too many holes, not enough talent, not enough cap dollars to spread it around without ****ing the future which you don't want to do with a 26 year old elite QB in the saddle. Moving Hill makes that possible. This is playing the long game. This is how you keep the SB window open for a decade or more.

So we won't have Hill, but the last two SB winners haven't had Tyreek Hill either, so it's not like it can't be done.

I was against it. Once it was done, I considered WHY and what the return was. And I embrace it. We weren't good enough the last two years. This is what The Patriots did for two decades of dominance. Sell high. Draft well. Build every year's team around your HOF QB and roll on.

You want to whine about it, whine on. It's pointless. It's done. What Veach and Andy do in this draft will mean everything going forward. Will we be The Patriots of 2000-2018? Or will we be Seattle?

I'm betting on Veach, Reid, and Mahomes.

It will be different going forward, but I think it can be BETTER overall.

Oh, so you really did crunch the numbers again

RunKC · 03-30-2022, 07:36 AM

I voted to keep Tyreek but for me what changed is the overall view of the roster and how limited they were in FA.

We keep Tyreek then we pretty much have no money and our defense looks like it did under Bob Sutton again talent wise with nothing Spags can do. The draft picks and free’d up money will certainly help the roster overall.

We shot our shot for a run and did well. Now time to reload.

Chris Meck · 03-30-2022, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I voted to keep Tyreek but for me what changed is the overall view of the roster and how limited they were in FA.

We keep Tyreek then we pretty much have no money and our defense looks like it did under Bob Sutton again talent wise with nothing Spags can do. The draft picks and free’d up money will certainly help the roster overall.

We shot our shot for a run and did well. Now time to reload.

Well, sure if you want to say it concisely.

Chris Meck · 03-30-2022, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Oh, so you really did crunch the numbers again

Among other considerations, yeah. If that's the only part of it you understand, that's fine with me.

O.city · 03-30-2022, 08:22 AM

It sucks trading away players of Tyreek's caliber. I hate it.

But numbers wise, I'm just whatever with it. At some point, if he wanted to stay he could have taken a little less. I wouldn't so I don't begrudge him at all for it.

It is what it is.

Chris Meck · 03-30-2022, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

It sucks trading away players of Tyreek's caliber. I hate it.

But numbers wise, I'm just whatever with it. At some point, if he wanted to stay he could have taken a little less. I wouldn't so I don't begrudge him at all for it.

It is what it is.

Yep. And all the pearl clutching in the world won't change it. The only thing worth talking about is what to do moving forward.

-King- · 03-30-2022, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I voted to keep Tyreek but for me what changed is the overall view of the roster and how limited they were in FA.

We keep Tyreek then we pretty much have no money and our defense looks like it did under Bob Sutton again talent wise with nothing Spags can do. The draft picks and free’d up money will certainly help the roster overall.

We shot our shot for a run and did well. Now time to reload.

But a Tyreek extension would have freed up money too.

What's all this revisionist history that his extension would have somehow broke us? Would we not have still afforded Reid and Juju?

And it's not like we're using the money anyway...

Gary Cooper · 03-30-2022, 08:53 AM

If this were the NBA, of course you'd keep Tyreek over drafting several players.

However, there's 22 starters in the NFL. You can't afford to have many JAGs in the lineup. If your QB is a stud, he doesn't necessarily need Pro Bowl receivers at every position. Just get him a better defense. That's something he can't control.

03-30-2022, 07:36 AM	#189
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1680389	I voted to keep Tyreek but for me what changed is the overall view of the roster and how limited they were in FA. We keep Tyreek then we pretty much have no money and our defense looks like it did under Bob Sutton again talent wise with nothing Spags can do. The draft picks and free’d up money will certainly help the roster overall. We shot our shot for a run and did well. Now time to reload. __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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03-30-2022, 08:22 AM	#192
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-765936	It sucks trading away players of Tyreek's caliber. I hate it. But numbers wise, I'm just whatever with it. At some point, if he wanted to stay he could have taken a little less. I wouldn't so I don't begrudge him at all for it. It is what it is.
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03-30-2022, 08:53 AM	#195
Gary Cooper MVP Join Date: Nov 2020 Casino cash: $-1319600	If this were the NBA, of course you'd keep Tyreek over drafting several players. However, there's 22 starters in the NFL. You can't afford to have many JAGs in the lineup. If your QB is a stud, he doesn't necessarily need Pro Bowl receivers at every position. Just get him a better defense. That's something he can't control.
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