Chiefs Offsides reality - Page 13

tredadda · 12-10-2023, 09:46 PM

Looking at the offsides on Toney and the “Let them play” mentality a few things stick out.

1. He was offsides and like it or not, that is inexcusable on his part. Toney should never line up offsides…….ever. That’s a Pee Wee league type of mistake. He didn’t just start playing football this year. Pre snap penalties are the worst because they are completely preventable. He should have never left it up to a ref to decide one way or another, especially with the quality of reffing league wide lately.

2. I get the “Let them play” mindset and not letting a questionable call impact a game. But it can’t be “Let them play” when convenient and when not calls should be made. Look at the SB when KC benefited from a penalty that essentially sealed the game. Had the refs swallowed the whistle like what was wanted today KC might well have lost the SB. We benefited from that penalty. But today we want to yell at the clouds because it was called. Both times the penalty was called, just this time it went against KC.

3. Even after the penalty they still had time to pick up the yards and score a TD and is systemic of how the offense has played for large portions of the year. This team has a championship caliber defense, but the offense is not what we all expect. That might mean an early exit this year. Simply put if the offense hasn’t figured it out by now I question whether they will.

It is what it is.

FloridaMan88 · 12-11-2023, 01:04 PM

Andy Reid: "Do we need to line up right? Yeah. We can't put it in the officials hands."
— Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) December 11, 2023

Andy Reid on the Chiefs' lack of attention to details, especially in late-game situations: "I get paid to teach. I'm going to continue to each. The players are going to continue to work."
— Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) December 11, 2023

KC_Connection · 12-11-2023, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch

Makes their idiotic meltdown all the worse. If you're going to make assclowns of yourselves at least save it for a **** up so blatant you'll actually have sympathy. Doing it on a textbook offensive offsides makes you look incredibly dumb

Should have done it after the GB game. That was steered in one direction the entire way through and ended with one of the worst "missed" DPI calls you'll ever see.

But their anger last night was never really about the refs, it's about the accumulation of mistakes this team makes in the biggest moments.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-11-2023, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Andy Reid: "Do we need to line up right? Yeah. We can't put it in the officials hands."
— Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) December 11, 2023

Andy Reid on the Chiefs' lack of attention to details, especially in late-game situations: "I get paid to teach. I'm going to continue to each. The players are going to continue to work."
— Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) December 11, 2023

Should have just stopped at "yeah" Andy.

TwistedChief · 12-11-2023, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

I'm not ready to go that far - but for sure it's not a great look.

But does explain what appears to be a lack of accountability in the room.

This is about Mahomes being frustrated. It starts and ends there for the most part in my view. This outburst wasn't about that play specifically but that play's being emblematic of the entire season.

I strongly think Reid is going down the same rabbit hole because if he doesn't he leaves Mahomes hanging out to dry and it's his attempt to try and shoulder some of the blowback.

I don't see this as some smoking gun that there's a lack of accountability in the room. Just an abundance of frustration.

crispystl · 12-11-2023, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DJJasonp

This.

In past years, 3rd and 15 was very possible.

Not anymore

We converted one last night. Good God.

philfree · 12-11-2023, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

That's the thing - I could almost be OK with it had it happened last week.

But this?

Good grief, they look ****ing foolish and are absolutely getting dragged in the media and on socials.

I think the no call last week is probably part of it.

crispystl · 12-11-2023, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

When the Chiefs commit a penalty, I expect the refs to not throw a flag. When the other team commits a penalty, I expect the refs to throw a flag. That's where I'm at.

Every big play we all just pause and wait for 20 seconds for the flag now. It's just insane.
The three hours the Chiefs play every week is something I really look forward to, but lately it's really been waning. Over the last decade or so the officiating has ruined the game. I feel more like I'm watching some dramatization than an NFL football game.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 12-11-2023, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I've never been ashamed of Reid or his players until now.

This is Gunther-era embarrassment.

toad

FloridaMan88 · 12-11-2023, 01:15 PM

Teicher asked Andy if he was considering benching Toney.

Andy’s response was that he’s young, but improving.

Hmmmm.

Sassy Squatch · 12-11-2023, 01:16 PM

We're long past the point of questioning if there's a lack of accountability. There isn't. The same players make the same mistakes repeatedly and the leaders on our team chose to blow their gaskets at the officials instead.

kevrunner · 12-11-2023, 01:17 PM

The day after: https://t.co/zCtT8eRha9
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 11, 2023

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-11-2023, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kevrunner

The day after: https://t.co/zCtT8eRha9
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 11, 2023

So much for walking things back.

An inch or two from being legal?

For ****'s sake, Andy. Look at where Rashee is lined up and compare that to where Toney is.

It's not even close.

**Lzen** · 12-11-2023, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

Looking at the offsides on Toney and the “Let them play” mentality a few things stick out.

1. He was offsides and like it or not, that is inexcusable on his part. Toney should never line up offsides…….ever. That’s a Pee Wee league type of mistake. He didn’t just start playing football this year. Pre snap penalties are the worst because they are completely preventable. He should have never left it up to a ref to decide one way or another, especially with the quality of reffing league wide lately.

2. I get the “Let them play” mindset and not letting a questionable call impact a game. But it can’t be “Let them play” when convenient and when not calls should be made. Look at the SB when KC benefited from a penalty that essentially sealed the game. Had the refs swallowed the whistle like what was wanted today KC might well have lost the SB. We benefited from that penalty. But today we want to yell at the clouds because it was called. Both times the penalty was called, just this time it went against KC.

3. Even after the penalty they still had time to pick up the yards and score a TD and is systemic of how the offense has played for large portions of the year. This team has a championship caliber defense, but the offense is not what we all expect. That might mean an early exit this year. Simply put if the offense hasn’t figured it out by now I question whether they will.

It is what it is.

Well said.

These kinds of mistakes all year long have really got me wondering why the WRs are not really getting much better. I guess Rice is getting better but even he is still having drops and fumbles. I know someone mentioned Embree a few weeks ago and got some flack from some people. But I wonder if there might truly be something to that. I think we need more talented WRs, for sure. But I also wonder if the coaching also needs improved.

At this point, unless something changes, I don't see the Chiefs getting far in the playoffs.

Sassy Squatch · 12-11-2023, 01:21 PM

Well, yeah. He kind of has to walk it back because he made a complete buffoon out of himself there, regardless of what you think his reasoning was. And it's a damn shame because there absolutely has been some blatant ****ery but now it'll be disregarded.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 12-11-2023, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Can you post the endzone view? Toney is absolutely mauled 10 yards downfield and it should have been offsetting penalties. The endzone view really shows the contact and Toney is upset it wasn't called as he's gesturing to the refs before Kelce laterals the ball.

I found the best view of this yet...1:27 and 2:52

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Clear illegal contact...

12-10-2023, 09:46 PM
tredadda Three-Pat Join Date: May 2011 Location: Colorado Springs Casino cash: $-2074947	Offsides reality Looking at the offsides on Toney and the “Let them play” mentality a few things stick out. 1. He was offsides and like it or not, that is inexcusable on his part. Toney should never line up offsides…….ever. That’s a Pee Wee league type of mistake. He didn’t just start playing football this year. Pre snap penalties are the worst because they are completely preventable. He should have never left it up to a ref to decide one way or another, especially with the quality of reffing league wide lately. 2. I get the “Let them play” mindset and not letting a questionable call impact a game. But it can’t be “Let them play” when convenient and when not calls should be made. Look at the SB when KC benefited from a penalty that essentially sealed the game. Had the refs swallowed the whistle like what was wanted today KC might well have lost the SB. We benefited from that penalty. But today we want to yell at the clouds because it was called. Both times the penalty was called, just this time it went against KC. 3. Even after the penalty they still had time to pick up the yards and score a TD and is systemic of how the offense has played for large portions of the year. This team has a championship caliber defense, but the offense is not what we all expect. That might mean an early exit this year. Simply put if the offense hasn’t figured it out by now I question whether they will. It is what it is.
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12-11-2023, 01:04 PM	#181
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-837094	Andy Reid: "Do we need to line up right? Yeah. We can't put it in the officials hands." — Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) December 11, 2023 Andy Reid on the Chiefs' lack of attention to details, especially in late-game situations: "I get paid to teach. I'm going to continue to each. The players are going to continue to work." — Nate Taylor (@ByNateTaylor) December 11, 2023
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12-11-2023, 01:15 PM	#189
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL Casino cash: $-837094	Teicher asked Andy if he was considering benching Toney. Andy’s response was that he’s young, but improving. Hmmmm.
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12-11-2023, 01:16 PM	#190
Sassy Squatch The man you could post like. Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1540345	We're long past the point of questioning if there's a lack of accountability. There isn't. The same players make the same mistakes repeatedly and the leaders on our team chose to blow their gaskets at the officials instead.
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12-11-2023, 01:17 PM	#191
kevrunner Starter Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $-669600	The day after: https://t.co/zCtT8eRha9 — Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) December 11, 2023
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12-11-2023, 01:21 PM	#194
Sassy Squatch The man you could post like. Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1540345	Well, yeah. He kind of has to walk it back because he made a complete buffoon out of himself there, regardless of what you think his reasoning was. And it's a damn shame because there absolutely has been some blatant ****ery but now it'll be disregarded.
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