***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by TLO

How young is "young"?

And that's terrifying hearing about the ventilator thing.

early 40's. They are ok for a week or so then drop like a rock. Seems to coincide with other reports of people with COVID going really bad about the 10 day mark.

Said person gets a little over dramatic but it does seem your chances are slim if you go on a vent.

One thing that I was told is they are running out of dialysis machines because all these people that go on vents have to go on dialysis.

[Donger]

Dr. Birx just said that they are starting to see the flattening. About where Italy was a week ago.

[TLO]

IHME model just updated again.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by TLO

IHME model just updated again.

I REALLY wish other models were made public. Our officials here in Colorado said that they hope that we peak in early May. IMHE says we already did. It's just really hard to make any sense of it all.

[Donger]

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by TLO

IHME model just updated again.

MO changed alot. The line was flat and peak was expected on 4-19 now we got a hill and moved back to 4-25

[displacedinMN]

3M has sued a medical supply company for allegedly trying to sell its coronavirus-blocking N95 respirator mask for 500 to 600% more than the list price.

The masks are among the most coveted kind of personal protective equipment for health workers treating victims in the COVID-19 pandemic.

3M charged that Performance Supply LLC, a company based in New Jersey, falsely claimed a business affiliation with the Minnesota-based multinational corporation that is a global leader in respirator production.

The suit in federal district court in New York City alleges that Performance Supply tried to sell New York City $45 million worth of respirators. 3M has asked the court to order Performance Supply to stop its illegal activity.

The suit comes as the U.S. and the world scramble to overcome shortages of respirators. 3M recently tangled with President Donald Trump over his objection to 3M selling respirators to customers in foreign countries. At one point Trump appeared to accuse 3M of unfair pricing. 3M CEO Mike Roman pushed back hard, saying the company was not exploiting the pandemic for profits. That dispute has since been settled with some international distribution continuing.

What remains critical is finding ways to protect doctors, nurses and other health care personnel dealing with patients who have a virus for which no vaccine exists.

In a news release, 3M’s senior vice president of corporate affairs Denise Rutherford said “3M does not — and will not — tolerate price gouging, fraud, deception, or other activities that unlawfully exploit the demand for critical 3M products during a pandemic.”

Performance Supply officials could not be immediately reached for comment.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I REALLY wish other models were made public. Our officials here in Colorado said that they hope that we peak in early May. IMHE says we already did. It's just really hard to make any sense of it all.

Originally Posted by dirk digler

MO changed alot. The line was flat and peak was expected on 4-19 now we got a hill and moved back to 4-25

Yeah who knows.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

My doc here in STL is part of a group that meets daily to discuss what's going on, he mentioned that they all suspect the tests being given in Missouri are faulty.

FWIW.

Holy shit and you are still running fevers of 104? Your doctor doesn't think that is unusual even if you tested negative he should wonder whats going on. I don't get this nearly a month running fever do you have spots been around any ticks. Id get some other opinions since you're not getting better.

I know people around construction who got the early test and came back negative. Their doctors said those early tests had a high failure rate and order a second test and was no problem. The newer test came back negative and he recovered. A month-long fever of 104 should be a concern to any doctor cov19 or not.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

IHME model just updated again.

And?

[petegz28]

Still 0 new deaths in CA. Awesome.

[Donger]

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Still 0 new deaths in CA. Awesome.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by MahiMike

I've been saying from the start this is a planned attack on our way of life. I also said that keeping everyone home was the wrong way to go about this and would have lasting effects on our economy.

Now I have some experts backing me up. Please watch this video, then go out to Dr Shiva's site to see how he would solve this issue if he were in Fauci's shoes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmD3EoSRgsI

https://shiva4senate.com/immune-and-...a-coronavirus/

Cliff notes:

Bill Gates and his foundation along w/big pharma are trying to keep us away from vitamins and only push for his cure.

This "cure" will be to inject us all with his biological weapon that can both track our whereabouts and get into our blood stream.

Fauci and Brix work FOR Gates!

Their constant dismissal of simple, cheap cures are thrown aside in lieu of expensive drugs.

There's lots more in there...have a look.

This...makes zero sense.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by srvy

Holy shit and you are still running fevers of 104? Your doctor doesn't think that is unusual even if you tested negative he should wonder whats going on. I don't get this nearly a month running fever do you have spots been around any ticks. Id get some other opinions since you're not getting better.

I know people around construction who got the early test and came back negative. Their doctors said those early tests had a high failure rate and order a second test and was no problem. The newer test came back negative and he recovered. A month-long fever of 104 should be a concern to any doctor cov19 or not.

Couple of things here.

While the fever has spike from time to time, it's consistently been low grade between 99.5 and 102.

It hasn't been a month. Today is Day 19 and have been fever free the last 24 hours.

As I've pointed out in past posts, there was no reason to retest - easier to assume I have it - and doc's more convinced now that I did. Would have required me leaving my home again, which is a challenge itself, ignoring the risk to anyone I came in contact with.

A positive test wouldn't have changed my course of treatment.