Cardinals ***Offical 2010 STL Cardinals Baseball Thread *** - Page 131

**BigRedChief** · 01-05-2010, 09:39 PM

Holliday signs. The Deal is Done. $120 Million over 7 years.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...=.jsp&c_id=stl

Signed or controlled for the next 2 years

Shumaker 2B
Rasmus CF
Pujols 1B
Holliday LF
Ludwick RF
Molina C
Freese 3B
Ryan SS
And 2 CY Young caliber starting pitchers
Carp and Wainwright P

We get Lohse or Garcia to step up and be a reliable 3rd starter in the playoffs we can win a World Series with this line up.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-02-2010, 08:19 PM

I only got to watch him pitch an inning. He looked pretty solid, albeit against a horrible lineup.

That said, knowing that we could have gotten him for a guy like Ottavino or Boggs, and spun Ludwick into someone else makes me ****ing sick.

Here's an idea:

Ludwick to SD
Kelly Johnson to St. Louis
Prospects to AZ

Doesn't that help everyone?

Separate Deal:

Ottavino to Cleveland
Westbrook to St. Louis

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-02-2010, 08:31 PM

Stupid ****ing shift just rat ****ed us. Instead of going into the bottom of the 8th up 4-2, the game is tied and Houston has runners on 2nd and 3rd.

Bravo, TLR, especially for throwing Motte out there for the third straight day when you know he sucks ass when he is overworked.

And great outfield D by Winn there with the pirouette coupled with missing the ball.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-02-2010, 08:32 PM

Just get the out, you ****ing reerun.

God, I hate Schumaker.

VAChief · 08-02-2010, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Just get the out, you ****ing reerun.

God, I hate Schumaker.

There was no reason to hold Bourn close to second with a two run lead, hell even a run lead, no one in our outfield is going to throw him out anyway. That kind of crap bothers me more than physical errors.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-02-2010, 08:38 PM

Joles is starting to get locked in again, he's hitting more LDs.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-02-2010, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by VAChief

There was no reason to hold Bourn close to second with a two run lead, hell even a run lead, no one in our outfield is going to throw him out anyway. That kind of crap bothers me more than physical errors.

Schumaker wasn't holding him, he was on the other side of the bag, anyway. Normally, your SS holds the guy on second.

They had the shift on b/c Lee is a pull hitter, but when a guy throws 97, you normally don't pull it as well.

It's just bad situational awareness.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-02-2010, 08:42 PM

Goddammit, fat Miles.

Would have really sucked to have had Ludwick up in that position, eh?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-02-2010, 08:46 PM

Schumaker quit on that ball.

****, I hate that guy.

VAChief · 08-02-2010, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Schumaker wasn't holding him, he was on the other side of the bag, anyway. Normally, your SS holds the guy on second.

They had the shift on b/c Lee is a pull hitter, but when a guy throws 97, you normally don't pull it as well.

It's just bad situational awareness.

He did move toward second a step then broke back with the pitch, if he had just left him alone and gone where he wanted to position himself he could have at least got to the spot for one out. With a right hand batter second usually has the primary responsibility for holding a runner...however that situation should have been set up for getting outs with a two run cushion. I played middle infield and that was just crap, I can't blame that one on La Russa.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-02-2010, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by VAChief

He did move toward second a step then broke back with the pitch, if he had just left him alone and gone where he wanted to position himself he could have at least got to the spot for one out. With a right hand batter second usually has the primary responsibility for holding a runner...however that situation should have been set up for getting outs with a two run cushion. I played middle infield and that was just crap, I can't blame that one on La Russa.

With the shift, he's on the bag. It was a foolish setup b/c Lee isn't going to be able to pull McDougal.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-02-2010, 08:56 PM

Tony's pen management has been bizarre.

And another mother****ing error.

VAChief · 08-02-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

With the shift, he's on the bag. It was a foolish setup b/c Lee isn't going to be able to pull McDougal.

He was also way too shallow, if you shift you play deeper than a step or two from the bag, it limits your angles and with his suspect range it is only magnified. They better address that seriously this winter, it is probably too late for this year. I will take Ryan's streaky hitting with the kind of range and defense he can provide (especially when he plays everyday and gets in a groove), but Skip needs to take the Miles role from now on.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-02-2010, 09:02 PM

**** this shit.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 08-02-2010, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by VAChief

He was also way too shallow, if you shift you play deeper than a step or two from the bag, it limits your angles and with his suspect range it is only magnified. They better address that seriously this winter, it is probably too late for this year. I will take Ryan's streaky hitting with the kind of range and defense he can provide (especially when he plays everyday and gets in a groove), but Skip needs to take the Miles role from now on.

This is Tony's biggest drawback. For such a "genious", he lets his personal feelings on players dictate their playing time far too much.

Schumaker is a 25th guy. Rasmus should play every day. Stavinoha should go down once Craig comes off the DL.

But rarely do we consistently play our best players. Instead, we waste ABs on guys like Schumaker, Winn/Stavinoha, and other assorted trash.

VAChief · 08-02-2010, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

This is Tony's biggest drawback. For such a "genious", he lets his personal feelings on players dictate their playing time far too much.

Schumaker is a 25th guy. Rasmus should play every day. Stavinoha should go down once Craig comes off the DL.

But rarely do we consistently play our best players. Instead, we waste ABs on guys like Schumaker, Winn/Stavinoha, and other assorted trash.

Did you hear that Freese left the game in Springfield with an ankle problem? If he is out they should look at bringing up Descalso (sp?) for second or Gotay for third and let Lopez take over everyday at second. I agree about Craig, would rather have him than Stavi, although I would rather have Stavi than Wynn. He at least can be used in a pinch as a third catcher.

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08-02-2010, 08:19 PM	#1951
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	I only got to watch him pitch an inning. He looked pretty solid, albeit against a horrible lineup. That said, knowing that we could have gotten him for a guy like Ottavino or Boggs, and spun Ludwick into someone else makes me ****ing sick. Here's an idea: Ludwick to SD Kelly Johnson to St. Louis Prospects to AZ Doesn't that help everyone? Separate Deal: Ottavino to Cleveland Westbrook to St. Louis __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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08-02-2010, 08:31 PM	#1952
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Stupid **ing shift just rat **ed us. Instead of going into the bottom of the 8th up 4-2, the game is tied and Houston has runners on 2nd and 3rd. Bravo, TLR, especially for throwing Motte out there for the third straight day when you know he sucks ass when he is overworked. And great outfield D by Winn there with the pirouette coupled with missing the ball. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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08-02-2010, 08:32 PM	#1953
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Just get the out, you ****ing reerun. God, I hate Schumaker. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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08-02-2010, 08:38 PM	#1955
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Joles is starting to get locked in again, he's hitting more LDs. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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08-02-2010, 08:42 PM	#1957
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Goddammit, fat Miles. Would have really sucked to have had Ludwick up in that position, eh? __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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08-02-2010, 08:46 PM	#1958
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Schumaker quit on that ball. ****, I hate that guy. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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08-02-2010, 08:56 PM	#1961
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	Tony's pen management has been bizarre. And another mother****ing error. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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08-02-2010, 09:02 PM	#1963
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	**** this shit. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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