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Old 03-01-2023, 11:01 AM  
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Figured we could get one of these going as well.

Who's some guys we like, would like to see in KC?
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Old 03-16-2023, 12:29 PM   #1951
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Absolutely not against a WR in the first. My position has been that we're going to have to grow our own stars for awhile, and fill spots with guys at good value until Mahomes cap number comes down.

I don't know if I like any particular WR that might be there for us, but that's another matter.
Gotcha. So it's not that you are against investing big in a WR.
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Old 03-16-2023, 12:30 PM   #1952
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Highest I'd go for Hopkins is a 4
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Old 03-16-2023, 12:30 PM   #1953
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You are smoking crack if you think that.

Why in the WORLD would Arizona do that?
I don't know what ARI will take, but the fact is that every day that goes by, the less they're going to take.
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Old 03-16-2023, 12:30 PM   #1954
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Highest I'd go for Hopkins is a 4
I'd prefer a 4, but if they give up our pick at the end of the 3rd, I won't hate it.
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Old 03-16-2023, 12:31 PM   #1955
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The Cardinals traded for Brown and are going to have to pay him.

Hopkins wants out.

And again, Hopkins is significantly older than Ramsey.

The situations aren't drastically different.

Value is value. Hopkins isn't getting you more than a 3rd.
This is the same franchise that wanted two firsts for a 30-year-old Patrick Peterson.

They also make their players actually pay for their meals.
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Old 03-16-2023, 12:33 PM   #1956
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This is the same franchise that wanted two firsts for a 30-year-old Patrick Peterson.

They also make their players actually pay for their meals.
Different GM.
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Old 03-16-2023, 12:33 PM   #1957
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This is the same franchise that wanted two firsts for a 30-year-old Patrick Peterson.

They also make their players actually pay for their meals.
What they want doesn't mean shit. I'm sure the Rams would have preferred more than a 3rd for Ramsey.
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Old 03-16-2023, 12:33 PM   #1958
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Gotcha. So it's not that you are against investing big in a WR.
No, absolutely not. I'd love to have a great WR. I just don't think it's a wise investment to sink anywhere near $20m (that we'd have to push money forward to fit) on a post 30 year old WR that hasn't finished a season in two years.

If Mahomes was 38 and you were trying for one last push, yeah, you maybe do that.

I think we're going to have to grow one for now, and that's scary for people, but I don't think there's any way around it. Not that is financially sound.

We'll sign a guy or two, but they're not going to be #1 types, they'll have a specific skillset that Andy can use and we'll spread the ball around again.

It's not like it hasn't worked, and it's not like Mahomes didn't just get MORE expensive cap-wise.

And if they draft a Jalin Hyatt or something in the first, I shall rejoice along with everyone else.
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I hear ya Meck, I was out on Hopkins until he said he would work with a team in regards to his contract. Sounds like a guy that might be willing to sacrifice for a ring.
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Old 03-16-2023, 12:35 PM   #1960
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Let's be really, crystal clear and not twist my words into anything I'm not really saying.

I seriously doubt that Veach is going to throw $20m at an over 30 WR, especially one that will require serious draft picks in trade, and super especially when either of the WR's you guys are salivating over have finished a season in at least two years.

That doesn't mean I think the WR room is set as of March 16. That doesn't mean I don't think we'll draft a guy. Doesn't mean I don't think we'll sign a guy.

I think we will sign at least one FA-although I doubt you're going to be satisfied if you're expecting a bonafide-no-doubt-number-one-WR type. And I expect somewhere in the first three rounds of the draft we'll take a WR as well.

And I'm sure we'll bring back JWat on a cheap deal as insurance, as he has a year in the offense.

There will be, at minimum, two new faces in that first 5 WR on the depth chart, I just about guarantee.

I seriously doubt it will be Hopkins or OBJ. There's absolutely nothing that Veach has said or done in the last 5 years to indicate that he'd pay that kind of money to often injured, over 30 players. There's a TON of evidence to the contrary.

And that's it. That's my whole opinion. And you guys can act like I'm shitting in your cheerios and ruining your fun, but it's not up to me. It's up to Veach, and my prediction is what my prediction is.

It's just not how he's been going about team building since the realities of Mahomes huge cap hit took hold.
This is all good, this is the Chris Meck we all know and love.

Its the "You guys will never learn", "Veach is NEVER...", "You are all panicking in March" stuff that seems like a different poster.

You know I dig your posts, you are certainly right more than wrong.

BUT we just want to upgrade the position, however we can. I like most believe we will sign a FA and draft a WR. Most of us really want a stud if possible (Im sure you do too).

Signing an older WR or trading for one is not something Veach has done but the team and Veach is evolving. Circumstances can dictate a different direction than the preferred option.

The Chiefs are in on OBJ and probably Hopkins as well. It would be weird if they werent. Will it happen? We dont know yet, we all believe in Veach so whatever he ends up doing will be good.

Right now, those guys are options and its perfectly reasonable to discuss them.
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I don't know what ARI will take, but the fact is that every day that goes by, the less they're going to take.
I've not seen a single source indicate that they're doing anything other than listening to offers. I've not seen anywhere that they're actively shopping him.

And at any rate, would YOU send Hopkins packing for a 4th round pick? Because I sure wouldn't. I'd expect that might get me fired.
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Old 03-16-2023, 12:39 PM   #1962
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How is it a massive rebuild, exactly?

They're stuck paying their QB. They gonna give him nothing to throw to? That's an offense that desperately needs him.

No way they're letting him out for a 4th rounder. That's insane.
What QB?

Murray is going to miss the majority of the season.

This is a throw away year for AZ at this point. Which is part of why Hopkins wants out, and part of why AZ is willing to deal him.
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I have no fear of drafting a WR, the issue for me is if you do that you kill the value, the players at 31 are most likely to be edge guys and we can use those.

Like I'd rather have Will McDonald like Jalin Hyatt
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Absolutely not against a WR in the first.
I've been hammering the 1st round WR for about 3 years now.

This is the worst year in the last 3 to do it.

It's not that some guys won't emerge as viable NFL starters, it's that there's more ??? in this year's group than in the past.

If the draft were loaded at WR, Hopkins/OBJ wouldn't be in the discussion so much.
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I've been hammering the 1st round WR for about 3 years now.

This is the worst year in the last 3 to do it.

It's not that some guys won't emerge as viable NFL starters, it's that there's more ??? in this year's group than in the past.

If the draft were loaded at WR, Hopkins/OBJ wouldn't be in the discussion so much.
That's the issue there's not as many guys this year.
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