***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Coming out of a lockdown around the first of June would put us at 70 days which is about what it took for China.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by limested

If I had to make a choice that was pappys and fake syrup or old crow and real maple syrup I would not hesitate to worship the crow.

After a few drinks you forget about the taste. You can’t say after a few bites you forget it is log cabin syrup.

I make about 2 litres of syrup from the tree in my front yard every year.

[limested]

Originally Posted by Monticore

I make about 2 litres of syrup from the tree in my front yard every year.

That sounds awesome!

[Monticore]

South Korea is having recovered patients test positive again(91), they are unsure if it reactivating vs reinfection vs false negatives. Stuff like that may delay the return.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by limested

That sounds awesome!

Lasts about a week kids eat it on everything.

[dirk digler]

NEJM report on compassionate use of Remdesivir for 53 patients with severe #COVID19https://t.co/gL0QKtw39L …

36/53 (68%) showed clinical improvement in oxygen-support class
17/30 (57%) receiving mechanical ventilation who were extubated

25/53 (47%) discharged
7/53 (13%) died pic.twitter.com/TLlWMwcNEO

— Andy Biotech (@AndyBiotech) April 10, 2020

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Well no but it would be for an additional 30 days and alot of states already have lock downs to mid May.



50-50. I don't have much faith in our testing though.

Tests are generally graded two ways: sensitivity and specificity.

Sensitivity is how good are you at determining the true positives (a scan that actually finds cancer in someone that has it). If they aren't very good, then you end up with a lot of false negatives--which is likely happening with the COVID tests

Specificity is the ability to rule out people that don't have a disease. In this case, finding a true negative--being sure that you don't have cancer.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Coming out of a lockdown around the first of June would put us at 70 days which is about what it took for China.

Way above that out here in AZ for the last couple of weeks. People keep getting infected and dying though. Somehow.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

South Korea is having recovered patients test positive again(91), they are unsure if it reactivating vs reinfection vs false negatives. Stuff like that may delay the return.

We just need to hope the virus and the scientists can help. Hopefully the virus eventually "mutates" into the same form of some other coronaviruses and becomes less deadly while at the same time we find effective treatments.

Some scientists have stated the virus could turn less deadly sooner rather than later simply for its own survival. Being viruses generally don't want to kill their host.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by Monticore

The same way some people prefer fake maple syrup over the real stuff, which to me is sacrilegious.

We had real maple syrup at a B&B in Maine 10 years ago. Switched right away and never looked back.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Tests are generally graded two ways: sensitivity and specificity.

Sensitivity is how good are you at determining the true positives (a scan that actually finds cancer in someone that has it). If they aren't very good, then you end up with a lot of false negatives--which is likely happening with the COVID tests

Specificity is the ability to rule out people that don't have a disease. In this case, finding a true negative--being sure that you don't have cancer.

There has to be a better way to test this.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

We had real maple syrup at a B&B in Maine 10 years ago. Switched right away and never looked back.

Can you describe the difference to someone who has only ever had Aunt Jemima?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

We had real maple syrup at a B&B in Maine 10 years ago. Switched right away and never looked back.

To bad it costs an arm and a leg

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Teams used to hold their training camps outside of their home states on a regular basis... the Chiefs in River Falls, Wisconsin, the Saints in West Virginia, etc. Moving a team’s training camp out of their home state if needed is doable.

Do you have any idea about the logistics of what you're proposing?

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

If China ended their lockdown measures in about 70 days in Wuhan, Beijing and Shanghai, why is it impossible to see a realistic scenario where the NFL regular season can start on time with some adjustments such as reduced stadium capacities, fans required to wear face masks, etc.?

The US isn't China.

If you think that New York is going to allow people to return to their jobs and open back up in 30 or 40 days, you may need to do a little research.

[2112]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Can you describe the difference to someone who has only ever had Aunt Jemima?

You never had log cabin?