****Official 2015 Missouri Tigers Football Thread****

['Hamas' Jenkins]

After seizing the Citrus Bowl from Jerry Kill and the Minnesota Golden Gophers, the Missouri Tigers finish 11-3.

Italics=Likely sign and place
Bold=JUCO recruit

Key Recruits:

2016 Class:

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Tre Williams DE, MO, ****
Nate Strong RB, IL, ****
Damarea Crockett RB, AR, ****
Marvin Terry DE, TX ***
Greg Taylor S, MO, ***
Brendan Scales TE, MO ***
Albert Okwue. TE, IL ***
Cale Garrett ILB, MO ***
Trystan Castillo OL, MO ***
Micah Wilson QB, OK ***
Trevour Simms OL, IL ***
Tucker McCann K, IL ***
Dominic Collins WR, IL ***
Jerod Alton ATH, MO ***
DeMarkus Acy DB, TX ***
Dimetrious Mason WR, GA **
Christian Holmes WR, GA **
Trey Baldwin LB, TX **
Marksell Utsey DT, AR **

Schedule:

9/5: SEMO
9/12 @Ark St.
9/19: UConn
9/26: @Kentucky
10/3: South Carolina
10/10: Florida
10/17 @ Georgia
10/24: @ Vandy
10/31: Bye
11/5 (Thu): Mississippi State
11/14: BYU (@ Arrowhead)
11/21: Tennessee
11/28: @Arkansas

[TrebMaxx]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Hopefully this has been reported to the Cops??

This??

[zigbazah]

The rumor about the KKK being on campus turned out to be bunk. The guy who initially posted the story has retracted it. Meanwhile, the rumor is still spreading all over social media and people are calling for heads because "Mizzou isn't taking the threat seriously."

Social media can really be the worst in situations like these. So much panic and false info being spread right now. I feel for the kids on campus.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by zigbazah

The rumor about the KKK being on campus turned out to be bunk. The guy who initially posted the story has retracted it. Meanwhile, the rumor is still spreading all over social media and people are calling for heads because "Mizzou isn't taking the threat seriously."

Social media can really be the worst in situations like these. So much panic and false info being spread right now. I feel for the kids on campus.

Just to clarify:

There have been a ton of threats on YikYak. There has been a single threat to the LBC/1950 building.

There has been a single lunatic ranting at Speaker's Circle who left at 8.

I think pretty much everything else is bullshit.

[zigbazah]

oh yeah, i understand real threats have been made. hope everyone stays safe.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by zigbazah

oh yeah, i understand real threats have been made. hope everyone stays safe.

No problem. It's just hard sifting the bullshit from the truth at this point. (Not accusing you of bullshitting).

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Nope. Actually referring to two other state legislators, one of whom I've known since we were 14-15 and another who graduated with my wife, who I witnessed slurring gay men on many occasions.

"Hate" is perhaps overly strong. "Disdain" is more apt. Or "dehumanize." Or "belittle and judge."

No, the problem isn't just that your pejorative characterization was too strong. It's that you seem to think certain political proposals will only be made by people who think ill to one degree or another of gays. That's completely false.

[WhawhaWhat]

Have apprehended suspect who used multiple accts to threaten @Mizzou students. He was never physically near campus @MUalert

— R. Bowen Loftin (@bowtieger) November 11, 2015

[kepp]

So I'll be at the game Saturday. Any sign ideas (that won't get me mobbed)?

[ClevelandBronco]

Originally Posted by kepp

So I'll be at the game Saturday. Any sign ideas (that won't get me mobbed)?

"Ask Me About Campus Democrats for Jeb Bush"

[kepp]

I'm thinking about something like this...

[kepp]

....or

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by kepp

So I'll be at the game Saturday. Any sign ideas (that won't get me mobbed)?

How about something that uses "You need to get out" and/or "I need some muscle over here".

[kepp]

Originally Posted by patteeu

How about something that uses "You need to get out" and/or "I need some muscle over here".

Like this?

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by kepp

So I'll be at the game Saturday. Any sign ideas (that won't get me mobbed)?

"Has the offense been on strike all year?"

[DJ's left nut]

EDITED: because the damn thing became book length....

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Given that you've been Internet savvy enough to comb multiple sites to post pieces that agree with aspects of your opinion, you surely can't be unaware of the post/letter written by Dr. Frisby of the Journalism school, as it was carried nationally and even read verbatim on local Columbia radio stations (both sports and right wing).

If she can be called ****er by more than one faculty member, there are probably some structural issues with race afoot at the University. I'll leave alone her comments about her interactions w/ students and the community at large.

If by 'comb multiple sites' you mean look at facebook, then yes. And the problem I have with Frisby's article is one I alluded to earlier - when you make weak arguments, they damage your strong one. I pass Ms. Frisby on her jog on my way to work several times a week. And as you no doubt know, on Route K you're as close to Ashland as you are campus. You can get to Midway more quickly than you can get to the quad. Because of this, students simply don't live down there. The odds that the person that accosted her was even a student are extremely remote but she felt the need to include this in her 'institutional racism' piece. Why? Sure seems like piling on to no effect to me.

Now, the faculty claim is a disconcerting one. However, unlike Reaper (and apparently you), I'm going to continue to ask for something before I take these things at face value. Did she really just not report it? If so, how can the University be held accountable? How does that have anything to do with racism in the system? Moreover, if she didn't report it, who was it? No harm in saying it now. I do view her statements with some degree of disbelief especially if there's no record of reporting and she's unwilling to go on the record. And if it did happen to her, surely it happened to others - they didn't report it either? If they did and the University didn't respond, there would be a record of that as well.

I'm done taking this stuff at face value. The Duke Lacrosse case, the Virginia rolling stones hit piece, the poostika - you folks seem to take everything people say as the gospel and I'm just done with that. I've said from the beginning - show me examples of instituional racism. Dr. Frisby has every opportunity to do so here - show me where the University was aware of this and did nothing because so far every documented case of racism that has been brought the the University has been met with a swift response.

If what has become CS1950 can write to the University for more than a year asking for changes of various stripes, then it's probably pretty clear that there wasn't even an attempt to listen to them.

Perhaps CS1950 is completely insane. Maybe Jonathan Butler is nothing but an attention whore. Perhaps Dr. Frisby enjoys making up stories of racism that never happened.

But what if they aren't?

Are you willing to acknowledge a possibility that these events happened?

A possibility - yes. But before I throw the University under the bus, I'm gonna need a hell of a lot more than 'a possibility'. I'm going to need to see anything at this point that shows the University had knowledge and an ability to address a situation that they simply ignored. 1950 is citing incidents that were either false or dealt with immediately by the University. Frisby has given us no reason to believe that the University ever knew anything. Butler is citing Ferguson for crying out loud.

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How can you speak to the authenticity of their experiences and how they should act if you don't have their frame of reference or experiences?

This is my eyes rolling. The burden is on them to establish authenticity when they're making claims as serious as institutional racism.

I think what I find most appalling about this entire debacle is the complete lack of empathy that people have shown.

I think it sucks that Loftin lost his job because of this, because after the first incident, he's been largely on top of things when it comes to informing the student body of their occurrence and the zero tolerance policy because of that. I know this because I've gotten the emails.

Of course there's a lack of empathy - I already said that a great deal of this is a result of racism fatigue. We've been told for the last 7 years that disagreeing with the administration makes you a racist. If you thought that the Ferguson story didn't make sense as originally put forward, you were a racist. You're absolutely right - I'm fresh out of ****s to give when I get called a racist at this point. Prove something or go away because the race card is played out and it has done an exceptional amount of damage to race relations in this country. If you have someone without a racist bone in their body, that person is now just going to sit on the sidelines because they're tired of this crap. If you take someone that was even 1% racist, those feelings have increased tenfold. The 'movement' has been amateurish, hostile and more often than not flat out mis-guided.

I don't think he's been especially great, but I do think that he was making an earnest effort in this case, unlike Wolfe. My issues with him stem more from the Schaefers shitshow.

With that said, I can understand why Wolfe froze in his car the way he did, and I can understand him tripping over his own words in public to an extent. I don't think he's a noxious person, and I don't think he let this stuff simmer with malicious intent.

Similarly, you don't have to agree with the list of demands from CS1950 and you don't even have to believe that Tim Wolfe and Loftin were incompetent in addition to being tone deaf.

I'm not getting there with Loftin - absolutely not. His ousting is a politically motivated hatchet job and nothing more. Wolfe I've already conceded may simply not have the right personality for this job. That said, his job as the President of the entire University of Missouri system (including the satellite schools) is not what many think it should be. He's the administrator. He's a behind the scenes guy that simply makes sure the trains are running on time. By most accounts, he did that job admirably. The problem is that he's not the politician that people also wanted him to be. I don't think that should be a job requirement for that role. Then again, Forsee was a little better at that and perhaps Wolfe simply didn't have enough of that. But being forced to resign because a bunch of hostile 20 year olds demanded it is wholly unacceptable.

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Why is the immediate reaction one that immediately seeks any and every source to discredit these claims, from calling the protesters batshit to questioning whether the shit swastika happened?

People and groups make mistakes and many groups have idiots attached to them.

It should be. When someone's leveling charges as serious as institutional racism and demanding scalps, the immediate reaction should damn certain be to confirm the credibility of their claims. Again, how many of these things have to be proven false on campuses around the country before you folks pump the brakes just a little before grabbing your pitchforks?

For example, it hasn't taken long for the entire media narrative on this story to shift as a result of the actions of an MU staff member and a faculty member.

While their actions are inexcusable and show an ironic contempt for the First Amendment, their odious behavior doesn't mean that terrible things haven't happened at MU, nor should they define that entire movement.

Teachable moment: Don't piss off the group of people that get to set the narrative. It's the press that came down here to shower adulation on the 1950 movement that turned against them. The press doesn't take kindly being told to piss off - that's a tale as old as time (or at least as old as the 1st Amendment). It's not just Breitbart that is setting the narrative here, every major media outlet is.

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And guess what, CS1950 may be foolish in their perceptions of and dealings with the media, but that doesn't mean that the incidents they list didn't happen and it doesn't mean that structural problems don't exist at the University.

From moment one you've approached this entire ordeal from the perspective that the protesters have no merit and that the resigned parties were merely caught up in a shitstorm.

And still nobody has presented actual evidence of the institutional racism that they claim is so prevelant. No, I have not approached this as though the ideas have no merit (in fact, I took the poopstika on faith). What I did do, however, is look at each instance and the University response. I did rationally review them and can comfortably state that the University did attempt to address racial issues when they were brought to them. But 1950 decided that they simply weren't sufficiently enthusiastic in addressing them.

For all the hand-wringing you've espoused about Orwellian Dogma and supposedly batshit demands, you've approached this entire event from the perspective of a fanatic, because, ironically, you aren't actually interested in a substantive discussion either, just calling out your preferred boogeymen, whether it be the liberal construction of academia or your dismissive and loaded pejorative "SJW", which is quickly becoming the right-wing's new trump card.

I most assuredly have not approached this as a fanatic - I've simply taken a step back and reviewed the incidents in question. Unlike Reaper, I'm not going to just say "well they said it happened, so it must have happened". Surely those lessons have been learned by now. But you're absolutely right, I'm calling out liberal academia and the PC police because it's kowtowing to their bullshit that has unfairly dragged the University and the city of Columbia into a national shitstorm that it never deserved.