***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Extremely slow

Originally Posted by tk13

San Francisco declared a State of Emergency back in February before they ever had a case. People thought it might be a huge overreaction at the time, but they look a lot smarter now.

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

SF got things under control because they shut down weeks before New York. They are proof that early and firm distancing measures is the best approach to managing this disease.

Not really

Here are the dates in each state when either stay-at-home orders were implemented or nonessential services were closed, whichever came first. (In NY, these happened on the same day.) pic.twitter.com/VJRDoRe82e

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) April 13, 2020

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

Have you argued that COVID-19 will result in no more deaths than a severe seasonal flu, and therefore the mitigation efforts enacted should not have been?

Hey Donger, find someone else to argue with in this thread. Find a post where I called it "just the flu" or shut the **** up.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

H1N1 was said to be 16x more lethal than influenza so you can keep moving the goalpost all you want, it's not arguing semantics, I never called this "just the flu" and Hamas just proved it.

Do you deny that you have argued continuously in this thread that our response to COVID-19 was too severe compared to H1N1? And do you still feel that way?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It is semantics, you've spent weeks talking about how this entire thing is a giant pile of bullshit. What you are doing would be like if my kid never put in effort in his history class and I said to him, we all know you think this class is a joke, and he responded by saying oh hey now I never said that.

It's a semantics game, you know this, I know this, everyone else posting knows this.

Exactly my point Mecca about the echo chamber, questioning what's been implemented and saying the math doesn't add up = "this entire thing is a giant pile of bullshit".

That why debate in this thread is no better than the one in DC, you guys just decide what's correct, drive that narrative and pile on anyone with a difference of opinion while lying and exaggerating their stance.

[KC Dan]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Not really

Here are the dates in each state when either stay-at-home orders were implemented or nonessential services were closed, whichever came first. (In NY, these happened on the same day.) pic.twitter.com/VJRDoRe82e

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) April 13, 2020

What you are not including is west coast states just didn’t make stay at home legal with an emergency order until the dates above but they DID tell all to stay at home and shutdown businesses and gatherings voluntarily earlier which most of us did. Thanks for playing...

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Hey Donger, find someone else to argue with in this thread. Find a post where I called it "just the flu" or shut the **** up.

In this thread? Not that I'm aware of. In another thread, you posted something about the number of projected deaths and compared it to "regular flu."

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Do you deny that you have argued continuously in this thread that our response to COVID-19 was too severe compared to H1N1? And do you still feel that way?

I definitely argued early on that the response compared to H1N1 seemed excessive. That still has nothing to do with "it's just the flu".

Right now I still don't know if what we are doing is absolutely necessary compared to the potential long term economic damage, and guess what, neither do you.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

This thread really is just an echo chamber for most of the posters in it.

Oh, so it's essentially like DC for you and your ilk?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

In this thread? Not that I'm aware of. In another thread, you posted something about the number of projected deaths and compared it to "regular flu."

I don't believe that happened unless it was like a month ago but you need to leave DC in DC and address it there.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Not really

Here are the dates in each state when either stay-at-home orders were implemented or nonessential services were closed, whichever came first. (In NY, these happened on the same day.) pic.twitter.com/VJRDoRe82e

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) April 13, 2020

This is demonstrably wrong. NY was encouraging people to go our as late as March 20th. I would show you the people who were encouraging this but it would be political. Considering they had many more cases than Cali etc.... Yeah no...

NY subways have been a pool of this from the start. NY should have have shut down in Feb to have any chance.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Oh, so it's essentially like DC for you and your ilk?

There is actually better debate in that thread than this one. Not sure what my "ilk" is but there is just more projection from people like you.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I don't believe that happened unless it was like a month ago but you need to leave DC in DC and address it there.

It happened. I have the post. But yes, you said that in the DC thread. I'll provide it to anyone who wishes to see it.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

It happened. I have the post. But yes, you said that in the DC thread. I'll provide it to anyone who wishes to see it.

You can post it here or in a PM I don't care. Include the date.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

You can post it here or in a PM I don't care. Include the date.

Done, in the DC thread.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by KC Dan

What you are not including is west coast states just didn’t make stay at home legal with an emergency order until the dates above but they DID tell all to stay at home and shutdown businesses and gatherings voluntarily earlier which most of us did. Thanks for playing...

What states? Newsom banned gatherings over 250 people on March 12 and on March 15 asked people to voluntary closure of bars and in-home self-isolation of seniors 65 and older, as well as persons at-risk due to underlying conditions.

Other than that nothing changed until the official stay at home order on March 19th.