***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The playbook is actually online for you to read.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ml#document/p2

This Dr. Faci needs to be replaced clearly. Because he level of concern early on was clearly not what it needed to be. I know China lied but damn...

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by Mecca

There's some business that are turning extra profits right now...

But spending on video gaming companies like Twitch and Nintendo is booming. Streaming services, such as Netflix and Spotify, are also seeing gains. https://t.co/TQmIJ2D3z4 pic.twitter.com/8zBuQlGTU1

— The New York Times (@nytimes) April 11, 2020

We analyzed data from Earnest Research, which tracks and analyzes credit card and debit card purchases of nearly 6 million people in the U.S. Cash transactions aren't included, but the data provides a strong snapshot of the economic impact of the coronavirus. pic.twitter.com/6YOt6vreU9

— The New York Times (@nytimes) April 11, 2020

It's tricky.

The movie theaters are gonna die out super fast at this rate if they go without good business much longer. On one hand I want to say that people should go to the movies asap when the restrictions are lifted if they care about them, but it's probably also the worst possible advice to give with stopping the spread.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

We had a playbook already.

Yes we did. That's about all can be said about it in here.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

This Dr. Faci needs to be replaced clearly. Because he level of concern early on was clearly not what it needed to be. I know China lied but damn...

Level of concern is the criteria for replacing someone? Not sure you want to go there, or here.

Anyway, Fauci's level of concern has been there since January.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Actually





We are climbing around 100-150 in our tests per million every day. They are hardly growing at all.

So at our current rate we will be at 10k Per a million in 13 days.

Yes, we are getting much better and we're not the only ones struggling to figure this out. But we're clearly not close to a gold standard like Korea or Japan who aren't testing people because they did a really good job of controlling the outbreak in the first place.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

This Dr. Faci needs to be replaced clearly. Because he level of concern early on was clearly not what it needed to be. I know China lied but damn...

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

Level of concern is the criteria for replacing someone? Not sure you want to go there, or here.

Anyway, Fauci's level of concern has been there since January.

When he told everyone not to worry about it?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

When he told everyone not to worry about it?

He didn't say that. He said in January that people shouldn't worry about it "right now." We had one case then.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

This Dr. Faci needs to be replaced clearly. Because he level of concern early on was clearly not what it needed to be. I know China lied but damn...

I don't think he needs to be replaced. But I also think we need to remember what he has said in the past as well.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The playbook is actually online for you to read.

https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ml#document/p2

I know. I'm choosing not to comment because I know the political rabbit hole this goes down. My point was that several Asian countries have much more experience with pandemic response that most countries are learning on the run. With or without a playbook we would have been woefully unprepared. If you or anyone thinks the pandemic response playbook would have helped or not helped... I'll leave that for a different discussion. I'm intentionally choosing not to have an opinion.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Yes we did. That's about all can be said about it in here.

It is a good read though for anyone interested.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

He didn't say that. He said in January that people shouldn't worry about it "right now." We had one case then.

"The American people should not be worried or frightened by this. It's a very, very low risk to the United States," Dr. Fauci said on The CATS Roundtable. "It isn't something that the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about."

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Donger

He didn't say that. He said in January that people shouldn't worry about it "right now." We had one case then.

but he did say this-

Q. Who is at greatest risk?

A. It's almost identical to what we're seeing with influenza. If you're elderly, have chronic lung disease, congestive heart failure, diabetes, obesity — all of that makes you much more likely to have complications, if not death.

And this -

Q. Is the seasonal flu a bigger concern?

A. We are right now in the middle of an influenza outbreak, which is having its second wave. We have more kids dying of flu this year, at this time, than in the last decade or more. Then it went down, and now we're having a second wave of H1N1 flu again, which is particularly serious in children. So right now, at the same time people are worrying about going to a Chinese restaurant, the threat is that what we have in this country, we're having a pretty bad influenza season, particularly dangerous for our children.

Everyone should probably browse through this for educational purposes. He also says we would never lock the country down. This was in mid Feb.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...on/4790996002/

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

"The American people should not be worried or frightened by this. It's a very, very low risk to the United States," Dr. Fauci said on The CATS Roundtable. "It isn't something that the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about."

“It’s a very, very low risk to the United States,” Fauci said during an interview with radio show host John Catsimatidis.

“But it’s something that we as public health officials need to take very seriously... It isn’t something the American public needs to worry about or be frightened about. Because we have ways of preparing and screening of people coming in [from China]. And we have ways of responding - like we did with this one case in Seattle, Washington, who had traveled to China and brought back the infection.”

And

“This is not a major threat to the people of the United States and this is not something that the citizens of the United States should be worried about right now,” Dr. Fauci told Newsmax’s Greg Kelly on January 21.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

It's tricky.

The movie theaters are gonna die out super fast at this rate if they go without good business much longer. On one hand I want to say that people should go to the movies asap when the restrictions are lifted if they care about them, but it's probably also the worst possible advice to give with stopping the spread.

A friend of mine was telling me people were stupid for spending money on video games in this climate......guess everyone is stupid eh?