Chiefs You scared? - Page 14

|Zach| · 12-10-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Yes, and we are counting on him to make the right decision after the season.

BUT THAT WILL ONLY BE HIS SECOND HIRE.

I mean...these guys dont really understand what they are doing till number 3. That is what you will post in another 4 or 5 years right?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-10-2012, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

BUT THAT WILL ONLY BE HIS SECOND HIRE.

I mean...these guys dont really understand what they are doing till number 3. That is what you will post in another 4 or 5 years right?

I've yet to see anyone even imply this.

Matter of fact, most if not all have either said or implied that if he retains Pioli, or ****s up the next hire, your points gain some weight.

**Bearcat** · 12-10-2012, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Yes, and we are counting on him to make the right decision after the season.

Well, that's the minimum and it's more financial than anything.... there are freakin' planes flying over Arrowhead, fans wearing black to games, etc. Taking care of the problem by firing Pioli at the end of the season doesn't necessarily have anything to do with a culture change beyond not being one of the worst franchises in professional football.

Like Reaper said, he's made decisions that force you to question whether he really knows what it takes to be successful. If he hires another GM and lets him make such horrible mistakes for 3 more years, the Chiefs won't be any better off. Someone at the top should be there to prevent some of those things from ever happening in the first place.

**Reaper16** · 12-10-2012, 06:31 PM

If there is a telling sign that Clark is in over his head its those comments by Kevin Ross that Pioli intentionally put a halt to player charities and general player involvement in community efforts. Clark would have to have known about such a thing, and would have to have given the OK on it (even an implicit OK).

It's a sign that Clark doesn't understand (never understood?) what makes a professional sports team a success in a market like Kansas City.

|Zach| · 12-10-2012, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

If there is a telling sign that Clark is in over his head its those comments by Kevin Ross that Pioli intentionally put a halt to player charities and general player involvement in community efforts. Clark would have to have known about such a thing, and would have to have given the OK on it (even an implicit OK).

It's a sign that Clark doesn't understand (never understood?) what makes a professional sports team a success in a market like Kansas City.

Where does the absentee owner that doesn't quite have a good pulse on the day to day of his own org and the fans stop and the guy who just makes the wrong decisions start?

**Reaper16** · 12-10-2012, 06:32 PM

I'm not on any "down with Clark" sentiment, but I think its worth pondering how much ownership can make for a successful franchise.

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-10-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

I'm not on any "down with Clark" sentiment, but I think its worth pondering how much ownership can make for a successful franchise.

We'll see soon enough.

Well, maybe not soon. Depends on how well the next hire goes.

|Zach| · 12-10-2012, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16

I'm not on any "down with Clark" sentiment, but I think its worth pondering how much ownership can make for a successful franchise.

everything.

FAX · 12-10-2012, 06:32 PM

The neat thing about Cricket is the pitching or the bowling. You can fling the ball overhand or underhand, bounce off the dirt, whack the hitter guy, or even do a fake. Plus, there's outfielders all over the damn place and everybody gets a turn to defend the wicket.

It's actually a very cool game.

FAX

**BigMeatballDave** · 12-10-2012, 06:36 PM

**** off, Zack.

You're just a trolling bitch at this point.

ChiefMojo · 12-10-2012, 06:42 PM

I'm scared of the future but that more has to do with the unknown with Pioli still here. As long as Pioli is running this sh*t show we are going to be destined to the cellar. Not only do we suck on the field, but there is no pride within the organization or fanbase anymore. We are like zombies or robots inside Arrowhead. This organization won't go anywhere until we clean house, get a new GM/HC/QB.

We have sucked as a whole for a long time now. The 90's and early 00's were fun but we were just good and not great. With that said I would take those days back in a heartbeat right now, along with a franchise that showed heart and charity amongst its fanbase.

**the Talking Can** · 12-10-2012, 06:45 PM

can anyone say with a straight face that this franchise's #1 priority is winning?

or that it cares about the fans more than anything?

of course not....everything about the Chiefs is uninspired, there is no passion within the organization and this translates into indifference (at best) and contempt (at worst) for the fanbase...

the idea that Clark could do nothing - and is responsible for nothing - beyond hiring a GM is also weird...every member of the Chiefs organization should be clear that winning a championship is the obsessive goal, and that cultivating the loyalty of the fans is job #1, and Clark has to send that message every day for it to be real...he has to have the passion and express it

anyone think that's true?

not me

|Zach| · 12-10-2012, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

can anyone say with a straight face that this franchise's #1 priority is winning?

or that it cares about the fans more than anything?

of course not....everything about the Chiefs is uninspired, there is no passion within the organization and this translates into indifference (at best) and contempt (at worst) for the fanbase...

the idea that Clark could do nothing - and is responsible for nothing - beyond hiring a GM is also weird...every member of the Chiefs organization should be clear that winning a championship is the obsessive goal, and that cultivating the loyalty of the fans is job #1, and Clark has to send that message every day for it to be real...he has to have the passion and express it

anyone think that's true?

not me

I couldn't agree more. People are over simplifying Clark's role (or at least what his role should be) and the importance of the right culture in a business.

**Easy 6** · 12-10-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by |Zach|

I couldn't agree more. People are over simplifying Clark's role (or at least what his role should be) and the importance of the right culture in a business.

Its fair enough to point out that Clark, even with the hands off style he prefers, didnt interject himself to veto many basic, obvious bad decisions... he is far from perfect and certainly not blameless in this, he cant let some smooth talking pocket dictator make every call again.

But isnt it also fair enough to point out that he merits another swing, he took a big, surprising one with his first shot... 95% of the known football world considered it a HUGE, defining moment splash for this franchise...at the time *ahem* it screamed WE PLAN TO WIN.

Clark cares, and he isnt clueless, you think the world of his zoccer team... give him the respect and chance to do it with real football.

|Zach| · 12-10-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by scott free

Clark cares, and he isnt clueless, you think the world of his zoccer team... give him the respect and chance to do it with real football.

I don't think the world of his soccer team. He doesn't own Sporting Kansas City.

When the Hunt Sports group sold my soccer team an ownership group took it over that loves Kansas City and loves to win.

What that brought was a model pro sports franchise and the nicest soccer specific stadium in North America as well as a championship. And they are just getting started.

My soccer team beat both the soccer teams he still owns this season. Neither of them made the post season.

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ChiefMojo Happy, Happy, Happy!!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10004935	I'm scared of the future but that more has to do with the unknown with Pioli still here. As long as Pioli is running this sh*t show we are going to be destined to the cellar. Not only do we suck on the field, but there is no pride within the organization or fanbase anymore. We are like zombies or robots inside Arrowhead. This organization won't go anywhere until we clean house, get a new GM/HC/QB. We have sucked as a whole for a long time now. The 90's and early 00's were fun but we were just good and not great. With that said I would take those days back in a heartbeat right now, along with a franchise that showed heart and charity amongst its fanbase.
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12-10-2012, 06:45 PM	#12
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $10022208	can anyone say with a straight face that this franchise's #1 priority is winning? or that it cares about the fans more than anything? of course not....everything about the Chiefs is uninspired, there is no passion within the organization and this translates into indifference (at best) and contempt (at worst) for the fanbase... the idea that Clark could do nothing - and is responsible for nothing - beyond hiring a GM is also weird...every member of the Chiefs organization should be clear that winning a championship is the obsessive goal, and that cultivating the loyalty of the fans is job #1, and Clark has to send that message every day for it to be real...he has to have the passion and express it anyone think that's true? not me __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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