San Diego Joins the 21st Century supports gay marriage.

[Logical]

Do you know where your city stands. Would you support a Mayor that voted to suppurt gay marriage or would you try to recall him/her?

By Matthew T. Hall
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
6:19 p.m. September 19, 2007

Mayor Jerry Sanders reversed his position on gay marriage Wednesday, supporting it in emotional remarks punctuated by pauses, shaking sips of water and his wife's hand resting one time reassuringly on his back.
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A day after staff members said Sanders would veto it, the mayor announced that he would sign a City Council resolution passed Tuesday that directed the City Attorney's Office to file a brief in support of gay marriage. The council voted 5-3 to send the brief to the state Supreme Court backing an end to the state's ban on same-sex marriage. Similar briefs have been sent by other cities, which like San Diego, are not directly involved in the case. Almost 200 people attended the council hearing on the issue, with gay marriage supporters arguing for equal treatment under the law, and opponents contending marriage should be between a man and a woman. “As I reflected on the choices that I had before me last night I could just not bring myself to tell an entire group of people in our community they were less important, less worthy or less deserving of the rights and responsibilities of marriage than anyone else simply because of their sexual orientation,” Sanders said. In a reference to his daughter and two staff members who are gay, he said, “I want for them the same thing that we all want for our loved ones, for each of them to find a mate whom they love deeply and loves them back, someone with whom they can grow old together and share life's experiences, and I want their relationships to be protected equally under the law.” In his 2005 mayoral campaign, Sanders said he supported civil unions and domestic partnerships but not gay marriage. “I have personally wrestled with that opinion ever since,” he said Wednesday his voice wavering. “My opinions on this issue have evolved significantly as I think the opinions of millions of Americans from all walks of life have.” In a nod to those who don't support gay marriage, he said, “I acknowledge that not all members of our community will agree or even understand.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

*minds business and doesn't bring up slavery*

It's a necessary evil, guys!

And your equating my posts with a pro-slavery stance how???

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Scott, when I grew up the geography class referred to them as the Plain States in the text. I am pretty sure that is not a derogatory term, just a descriptor.

Fair enough.

I thought it should be 'plains' states.

[HolmeZz]

Originally Posted by scott free

And your equating my posts with a pro-slavery stance how???

I'm attacking your point that something must be right if most of the country believes it to be morally acceptable/unacceptable.

[Ugly Duck]

Originally Posted by SLAG

The Natural order is for Penis in Vagina, not Penis in Anus, not Vagina on Vagina

One word.... Bonobo

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

I'm attacking your point that something must be right if most of the country believes it to be morally acceptable/unacceptable.

Well, i certainly feel that there is a LOT of difference between enslaving an entire people & destroying their families & heritage...& denying a gay couple the right to raise a child.

If you cant create one...why should you be allowed to raise one???

And dont gimme the hoo-ha about infertile people, thats WAY different IMO.

[Logical]

Originally Posted by Ugly Duck

One word.... Bonobo

Dammit Duck you made me look that up.

[HolmeZz]

Originally Posted by scott free

Well, i certainly feel that there is a LOT of difference between enslaving an entire people & destroying their families & heritage...& denying a gay couple the right to raise a child.

I know you say that and I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm accusing your reasoning of being flawed BECAUSE evidence in the past.

Originally Posted by scott free

If you cant create one...why should you be allowed to raise one???

And dont gimme the hoo-ha about infertile people, thats WAY different IMO.

Why's it different?

And shouldn't single people be allowed to adopt?

[Ugly Duck]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Dammit Duck you made me look that up.

Oh, sorry.... for the less educated Planeteers, Bonobos are our closest primate relatives. In their society, lesbian sexual encounters occur about every two hours. Male bonobos engage in "penis fencing," which leads, surprisingly enough, to ejaculation. They also give each other genital massages. Gayest dang animals on the planet are our closest relatives. Its only natural.....

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

I know you say that and I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm accusing your reasoning of being flawed BECAUSE evidence in the past.



Why's it different?

And shouldn't single people be allowed to adopt?

Man, we can argue semantics 'til 4am.

As simply as i can put it, i dont agree with the homosexual lifestyle..are they all a bunch of creeps & pedophiles??? of course not, i've known a few who i considered to be very nice, caring people.

But that doesnt mean i feel they should be raising & in turn imparting their chosen lifestyle on impressionable kids. I'm actually in favor of gay marriage & the rights that come with it... just not the raising kids part.

Some say it doesnt influence kids, i disagree.

I've said my peace, i'm out of this DC style morass of neverending argument.

[HolmeZz]

"Sexual social behavior

Sexual intercourse plays a major role in Bonobo society, being used as a greeting, a means of conflict resolution and post-conflict reconciliation, and as favors traded by the females in exchange for food. Bonobos are the only non-human apes to have been observed engaging in all of the following sexual activities: face-to-face genital sex (most frequently female-female, then male-female and male-male), tongue kissing, and oral sex.[15] In scientific literature, the female-female sex is often referred to as GG rubbing or genital-genital rubbing, while male-male sex is sometimes referred to as penis fencing."

Hot.

[Ugly Duck]

Originally Posted by HolmeZz

Hot.

Yes... but should they be allowed to adopt?

[HolmeZz]

Originally Posted by scott free

As simply as i can put it, i dont agree with the homosexual lifestyle..are they all a bunch of creeps & pedophiles??? of course not, i've known a few who i considered to be very nice, caring people.

Then what makes you as an individual more suited to raise a kid than one of them?

Originally Posted by scott free

But that doesnt mean i feel they should be raising & in turn imparting their chosen lifestyle on impressionable kids.

You chose to be heterosexual because your parents were?

And this is ignoring the fact that an overwhelming majority of current homosexuals were raised by heterosexual parents.

[Ultra Peanut]

As someone who subscribes to a religion that requires at least three to five acts of fellatio and/or cunnilingus per year, I find SLAG's persecution heinous and disturbing.

Originally Posted by Ugly Duck

One word.... Bonobo

Oh hey, you've heard of the International Church of the Divine Bonobo.

Seriously, those things are awesome. It's like the chimps got the asshole gene and bonobos got the "sure dude, whatever" gene.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Cocina_Basement

half the kids don't have 1 mommy or daddy. See deadbeat parents, and divorce. But, okay...

I think God would much rather have a child provided for in a loving home. Gay parents aren't going to make their kids gay, just maybe more accepting of the fact that you can't plug everyone into the All American family home ideal.

it's all about the Bible ....... i don't care how much you try and cover up you subconscious connection.


the whole "wrongness" stems from religion ....... everything else is just rationalizing.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Laz

it's all about the Bible ....... i don't care how much you try and cover up you subconscious connection.


the whole "wrongness" stems from religion ....... everything else is just rationalizing.

Wrong Laz, for me, the 'wrongness' stems from simple biology.

I said i was out & keep getting pulled back in...