Clark Judge: Rating smartest, boldest, scariest offseason moves

[DaneMcCloud]

Rating smartest, boldest, scariest offseason moves
May 13, 2009
By Clark Judge
CBSSports.com Senior Writer

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11743195

Five boldest moves

Kansas City hiring Scott Pioli

Some people automatically put this one in the win column. Not me. Not after Charlie Weis fizzled at Notre Dame and Romeo Crennel bombed out in Cleveland. OK, so they were former New England coaches, and Pioli was a decorated GM. They still fall from the same tree. The question I have is this: How much was Pioli responsible for what happened in New England? "I guess we're about to find out," said one NFC general manager.

The good news is that Thomas Dimitroff had New England ties, too, and he circled the bases in his first turn as a GM in Atlanta. The bad news: Pioli's first draft with Kansas City: There are reaches everywhere. He also reversed the team's Get Young Now policy by adding 30-something discards like Bobby Engram, Zach Thomas, Monty Beisel and Mike Vrabel. You can do that when you're at or near the top, like New England. But this is a team that lost 23 of its last 25, for crying out loud.

Five biggest gambles

Kansas City acquiring Matt Cassel

I know what he did with New England. But that was the Patriots, and tell me where you find Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Richard Seymour and Bill Belichick in the 816 area code. Cassel was surrounded by a raft of talent on the field and on the sidelines in New England, and I'm still looking for that support group here. So he produced a couple of 400-yard passing games and won 10 of 15 starts. That was nice. But I want to see him reproduce it here. OK, I know what you're thinking: What do the Chiefs have to lose -- especially when all they surrendered for Cassel and Vrabel was a second-round draft pick? Try this: They're paying Cassel $14.65 million in guaranteed salary. If he turns out to be the next Scott Mitchell I know some bean counters in red suits who will demand explanations.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by THISmaqe

Dane, I've been called a Carl apologist since the days of the KC Star BB.

The idea that this is unique and directed only at those that question the team is, frankly, HYSTERICAL.

The "negative" crowd has been the MAJORITY here for the 8 of the last 9 years, and now that the tide is changing a bit, people want to take their ball and go home?

Seriously, that's just asinine.

I'm referring to what's happened over the course of the past few months since Pioli's been hired.

Not the entire history of Chiefsplanet.

And while I agree it's been controlled by the "negative crowd", I think that has more to do with folks being tired of Carl Peterson's never-ending regime than with the actual players and coaches.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by THISmaqe

Dane, I've been called a Carl apologist since the days of the KC Star BB.

So have I. Most of the time, if you made any comment that wasn't blistering Carl (and I made plenty of those, too...), said any move was in any way positive based on what I thought of the move itself, it was go straight to "king carl lover" or "true fan" (okay, i don't think I've ever been called a true fan, so I exaggerate) do not pass go, do not collect 200 bucks.

Then, ironically, in the last year or two, the latter half of the Hermpocalypse, if I said anything negative I was labeled a Carl basher.

I'm so confused.

People love their sweeping generalizations, I guess.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If you're insulted by the phrase "n00b", then you're in for a long, tough ride here at the 'Planet.

You do like to just ignore the points being made by other people, don't you? You're bitching about the "n00bs" and their insults when the very name you're calling them is used as an insult. It's not about how I personally feel, it's about your hypocrisy.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You do like to just ignore the points being made by other people, don't you? You're bitching about the "n00bs" and their insults when the very name you're calling them is used as an insult. It's not about how I personally feel, it's about your hypocrisy.

Feel that tickle in your vag?

JFC.

The term "n00b" has been used since the beginning of this forum. It's used ALL OVER the internet. You are NEW aren't you? You don't have 1,000 posts, do you?

The fact that you'd be offended is actually hilarious.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

People love their sweeping generalizations, I guess.

I don't know how I put up with all you dumbasses for almost 10 years.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Otter

I don't know how I put up with all you dumbasses for almost 10 years.

Because you're just one of the flock, baaaatter.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Feel that tickle in your vag?

JFC.

The term "n00b" has been used since the beginning of this forum. It's used ALL OVER the internet. You are NEW aren't you? You don't have 1,000 posts, do you?

The fact that you'd be offended is actually hilarious.

It's not about how I personally feel, as I noted. The term doesn't offend me. I find it pathetic, and I feel that it says a lot more about the lack of any valid reply by the poster who uses it than it does about anything else. However, you are the one complaining about the "n00b" crowd driving off established posters while overlooking how those "n00b" posters have been getting treated here. It starts with the very use of the term and just continues from there.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by SBK

I don't see the purpose in wishing we had Sanchez anymore. I wanted Stafford as bad as anyone, but the only way he'll ever make it to KC is if he sucks and we sign him as a backup. Same with Sanchez. David Carr and Joey Harrington are what these guys would have to be for us to have them now....

Lets roll with who we got.

I'm trying to, but every time I think I'm out, they_________________!
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Originally Posted by THISmaqe

I don't at all disagree. But it's all in the past now. What's wrong with HOPING that Cassel can be the franchise QB we need? Does passing on Sanchez sting so much that people can't get over it?

Pretty ****ing laughable if you ask me.

Who keeps bringing up Sanchez? Not me! If we have a flop season, is it the fault of Mark Sanchez? I guarantee you some dipshit will magically tie the two together!
I'll enjoy watching all three QB's play football until it's time for the Chiefs to play against them.
Is there a problem with that?

Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

i've thought about this quite a bit and maybe pioli saw enough of sanchez BEFORE taking our job that he already knew what he thought, so as GM of the chiefs sanchez never was an option. like i have said MANY times pioli either knew he was getting cassel or had a VERY good idea he was. look back at the opening presser, when asked about the QB situation he smiles and says he has something in mind. In my opinion he knew that was cassel

SAUTO is correct. See below:

Originally Posted by THISmaqe

Thigpen was already on the roster, so until Pioli actually did something, neither Cassel nor Sanchez were "options" except in the minds of the fans and some of the media.

Pioli had no intention of drafting Sanchez, he wasn't ever an option.

FYP.

No Pioli in KC w/o a healthy Brady in NE, and Cassel available.
Fact, done deal, get over it.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And Sanchez is not a lock to succeed, while Cassel is not a lock to bust.

Where DID YOU get your Magic 8-Ball?! I want one!!!

Originally Posted by doomy3

I don't know. I rarely see you mentioned in the same breath as any of those guys except for Hamas because you two are just adsjoles to everyone. OTWP, I would never compare you two. He knows a lot about football.

Can you cry some more? I really like it when you cry like a little girl; it's awesome!

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

It's not about how I personally feel, as I noted. The term doesn't offend me. I find it pathetic, and I feel that it says a lot more about the lack of any valid reply by the poster who uses it than it does about anything else. However, you are the one complaining about the "n00b" crowd driving off established posters while overlooking how those "n00b" posters have been getting treated here. It starts with the very use of the term and just continues from there.

THIS IS A FOOTBALL FORUM.

If you want "civilized" on the scale of which seems to be your ideal, I'm sure PBS has a website and board dedicated to "Masterpiece Theater".

Register today!

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

THIS IS A FOOTBALL FORUM.

If you want "civilized" on the scale of which seems to be your ideal, I'm sure PBS has a website and board dedicated to "Masterpiece Theater".

Register today!

You gotta keep up:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And this is exactly the reason why some folks have left recently.

There are several n00bs that have entered discussion intent on name-calling and busting balls. Guys with less than 500 posts just ripping away at people. Personally, I'll rip right back (as would Hamas) but Mecca, CC and some of the other guys just aren't cut out for it and decided to bail.

It's a shame, really.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

You gotta keep up:

I don't give a damn if you and the 12 Apostles call me a douchebag every hour on the hour!

Some people have skin and can play, others don't.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

I don't give a damn if you and the 12 Apostles call me a douchebag every hour on the hour!

Some people have skin and can play, others don't.

How is that something opposed to any point I've made? Dane is bemoaning the loss of his beloved Hamas, among others. He's pinning it largely on the "n00bs" and their attacks. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of Dane. As I'm sure you noticed in my dealings with both Hamas and Dane, I don't wilt when people call me names.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

How is that something opposed to any point I've made? Dane is bemoaning the loss of his beloved Hamas, among others. He's pinning it largely on the "n00bs" and their attacks. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy of Dane. As I'm sure you noticed in my dealings with both Hamas and Dane, I don't wilt when people call me names.

He missed the true point. The true point is that "idiot" should replace the word "n00b" in this case. You can be a n00b and not be an idiot, but they've been few and far in between.

And like I said before, there wasn't enough plant life( non-idiots )on the Planet to sustain the needs of Mecca and Hamas, so they split.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

He missed the true point. The true point is that "idiot" should replace the word "n00b" in this case. You can be a n00b and not be an idiot, but they've been few and far in between.

And like I said before, there wasn't enough plant life( non-idiots )on the Planet to sustain the needs of Mecca and Hamas, so they split.

In the time I've been here, the "idiots" have been far more insightful and knowledgeable than Hamas seemed to be. I've seen posts where people praised his knowledge, but he surely kept his knowledge well hidden this offseason, at least on this main board.

For the record, given that the team finally canned the leadership that almost everyone here hated, brought in a man considered among the very best to be GM, and brought in a new starting QB, it's absurd for people like Mecca, Hamas and company to be complaining when people want to give that group the benefit of the doubt and really don't want every thread to turn into a buzzkill. They are defying human nature, and they should know better. Hamas with his "strike #", and Mecca seemingly doing his best Eeyore impression about almost everything the team was doing, placed themselves in a position where it was a virtual guarantee that they'd be opposed when they posted. "True Fan", "Jesus" and the rest of the derogatories of that sort were certainly not brought up by others and aimed at them: it was the other way around.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

In the time I've been here, the "idiots" have been far more insightful and knowledgeable than Hamas seemed to be. I've seen posts where people praised his knowledge, but he surely kept his knowledge well hidden this offseason, at least on this main board.

For the record, given that the team finally canned the leadership that almost everyone here hated, brought in a man considered among the very best to be GM, and brought in a new starting QB, it's absurd for people like Mecca, Hamas and company to be complaining when people want to give that group the benefit of the doubt and really don't want every thread to turn into a buzzkill. They are defying human nature, and they should know better. Hamas with his "strike #", and Mecca seemingly doing his best Eeyore impression about almost everything the team was doing, placed themselves in a position where it was a virtual guarantee that they'd be opposed when they posted. "True Fan", "Jesus" and the rest of the derogatories of that sort were certainly not brought up by others and aimed at them: it was the other way around.

Wow, talk about missing the point.

You just go ahead and continue to give the Chiefs "the benefit of the doubt".

I, on the other hand, will not.