Should Haley be fired?

[Hammock Parties]

The Chiefs are 0-3 and look awful in two of three games. Should Haley be fired?

Also, this is our official 2009 reerun filter.

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I'll get blasted for this by some, but, I could give a ****:

If Bill Cowher would take the job, you give it to him in an instant. Immediate, HUGE upgrade for the entire organization.

I believe he's evolved enough as a coach to compete at the highest level. Now, would he agree not to have complete control and work with Pioli? That's the only question.

I definitely agree with this. And players would want to come here.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by el borracho

That happens all the time in the NFL. How did Tom Brady get into the starting lineup? Kurt Warner? Hell, teams have completely discarded guys like Rich Gannon (out of football for a couple of years before Marty picked him up).

While there's truth to what you're saying, one would be hard pressed to find a more worthless player taking the place of a clear upgrade.

Not nearly the case with the examples that you've cited.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by doomy3

I definitely agree with this. And players would want to come here.

Hypothetical: The Chin was the HC of this very same roster this year. What would our final record have been (be)?

[Rain Man]

Firing a coach after one year means only that you have an incompetent GM. No reasonable GM would fire a first-year coach who took over a 2-14 team.

[el borracho]

Cowher would definitely be an improvement over Haley. I'm not sure he would be my first choice though, given his offensive philosophies.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by doomy3

I definitely agree with this. And players would want to come here.

Seconded.

I know some here have a problem with the team-building philosophy he displayed for so many years in Pitt, but who's to say he hasn't learned a thing or two during his time as an analyst?

Or to say that the benefit of hindsight wouldn't serve him or US well.

Players would come, and young players would RESPECT Bill Cowher.

And fear him a little bit too, which isn't a bad thing if it's done RIGHT.

[Norman Einstein]

Where is the Gaz option?

Where is the "I don't care" option?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by damaticous

him and Pioli are still riding on Herm's coat tails. give it a year or two. sheesh

I love this argument.

Every single week the best players on the field, the only guys that belong on an NFL roster, are guys that were brought in by Herm.

Haioli's responsible for Mike Brown, Vrabel, Goff, Jackson, Cassel, etc... Not to mention the departure of Pollard and the monsterous regression of Branden Albert.

Succop doesn't even count for !@#$ seeing as how Conner Barth is every bit as capable.

Chambers is the only clear upgrade that this regime has brought in and even that one was a blind squirrel. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone that didn't think bringing in Chambers as a good idea, so I'm hardly going to give him credit for managing to not screw up a complete no-brainer.

This team would be significantly further along had Haley had an aneurysm in training camp and never coached or made a single decision for this team.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I love this argument.

Every single week the best players on the field, the only guys that belong on an NFL roster, are guys that were brought in by Herm.

Haioli's responsible for Mike Brown, Vrabel, Goff, Jackson, Cassel, etc... Not to mention the departure of Pollard and the monsterous regression of Branden Albert.

Succop doesn't even count for !@#$ seeing as how Conner Barth is every bit as capable.

Chambers is the only clear upgrade that this regime has brought in and even that one was a blind squirrel. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone that didn't think bringing in Chambers as a good idea, so I'm hardly going to give him credit for managing to not screw up a complete no-brainer.

This team would be significantly further along had Haley had an aneurysm in training camp and never coached or made a single decision for this team.

The thing I like, is that the quote you're countering encapsulates the gist of the situation perfectly; they are INDEED riding Herm's( talent acquisition )coattails.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Haley should be given a chance to coach a team with a coaching staff. Its not his fault Pioli was hired late, and its not his fault he was hired late. Its also not his fault Clark pushed Gailey onto them. This shit takes time. Seriously, how many first year coaches have taken complete shit winning team in one year?

Why?

What have you seen to lead you to believe that Todd Haley is the best we can do in 2010 and beyond?

Some of you folks seem to think it's either retain Haley or fold the franchise.

I'll say the same thing I've said for months - Please please please PLEASE give me a reason why he should be retained.

Don't say "give him more time." Don't say "Well at least he's not Herm."

Tell me what this person has on his resume that suggests he ought be retained. Is it the 9-7 record he compiled last season with the best WR corps in football and one of the 10 most accurate passers of all time at his disposal?

Are you really putting that much stock in the fact that the man coordinated a team that won 3 games in January? Those 3 games were so well coordinated that we should give those more weight than this abortion of a season? A season in which we not only lost games, but did so in embarassing fashion and often directly because of how the coach handled the game. A season in which we surrendered 800 yds rushing in the last 3 home games with a head coach that says stopping the run is all about attitude.

Someone please tell me what he's actually done that merits continued employment.

[Royal Fanatic]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Why?

What have you seen to lead you to believe that Todd Haley is the best we can do in 2010 and beyond?

Some of you folks seem to think it's either retain Haley or fold the franchise.

I'll say the same thing I've said for months - Please please please PLEASE give me a reason why he should be retained.

Don't say "give him more time." Don't say "Well at least he's not Herm."

Tell me what this person has on his resume that suggests he ought be retained. Is it the 9-7 record he compiled last season with the best WR corps in football and one of the 10 most accurate passers of all time at his disposal?

Are you really putting that much stock in the fact that the man coordinated a team that won 3 games in January? Those 3 games were so well coordinated that we should give those more weight than this abortion of a season? A season in which we not only lost games, but did so in embarassing fashion and often directly because of how the coach handled the game. A season in which we surrendered 800 yds rushing in the last 3 home games with a head coach that says stopping the run is all about attitude.

Someone please tell me what he's actually done that merits continued employment.

Clark Hunt is not going fire Pioli after one season. Pioli is not going to fire Haley after one season.

To continue to post about it is pointless. It's not going to happen.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Firing a coach after one year means only that you have an incompetent GM. No reasonable GM would fire a first-year coach who took over a 2-14 team.

Pioli would also be admitting he made a mistake, something that egomaniacs don't ever do.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Royal Fanatic

Clark Hunt is not going fire Pioli after one season. Pioli is not going to fire Haley after one season.

To continue to post about it is pointless. It's not going to happen.

This is just another version of "Give him more time"

I don't presume any of us are actually Clark Hunt, so I'm not asking you to say why you, the CEO of the Kansas City Chiefs, will definitively fire Todd Haley.

Instead I'm asking some of you fine gentlemen to engage your brains and actually proffer an opinion of your own.

The board has been in woefully short supply of these over the last several months. It seems like everyone's just falling over themselves to blindly support the current front office.

C'mon, surely someone can actually provide a cogent defense for Haley. Right?

[Otter]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This is just another version of "Give him more time"

I don't presume any of us are actually Clark Hunt, so I'm not asking you to say why you, the CEO of the Kansas City Chiefs, will definitively fire Todd Haley.

Instead I'm asking some of you fine gentlemen to engage your brains and actually proffer an opinion of your own.

The board has been in woefully short supply of these over the last several months. It seems like everyone's just falling over themselves to blindly support the current front office.

C'mon, surely someone can actually provide a cogent defense for Haley. Right?

Plenty of us have described our reasons for supporting Todd Haley. You'll have to excuse us if we don't feel like making up a power point presentation for you with bullet points and action items.

Read for yourself.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Firing a coach after one year means only that you have an incompetent GM. No reasonable GM would fire a first-year coach who took over a 2-14 team.

Hiring Todd Haley in the first place means you have an incompetent GM.

Drafting Tyson Jackson at #3 overall means that you have an incompetent GM.

Trading a #2 and giving a long-term deal to Matt Cassel means that you have an incompetent GM.

I can show you a lot of things about this club that scream 'incompetent GM'...undoing a problem like Todd Haley would be among the first even marginally competent thing Pioli has done in his time in KC.