It's all about the offensive line.

[Chris Meck]

Seriously. We cannot run block. We cannot pass block. We cannot hang on to the ball, so our defense tires and gives up big plays.

No skill position player is going to amount to squat when the line is that bad.

People want to take a safety in the top 3? Really? What good is that going to do? We'll lose by 20 instead of 30, I guess.

This line needs a complete and total overhaul. That's as bad of a line as I've ever seen. A complete abortion.

Waters is just as bad as all the rest at this point in his career, too. the ONLY (kind of maybe) bright spots today were Barry Richardson's mediocre to fair job at LT and Smith at C did fair. The rest have no place on an NFL field.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by RedThat

First off, which teams have won a superbowl with a crappy Oline? Besides Pittsburgh last year, I can't think of many. Not very many. There are teams that had solid Olines, and then there were teams with very good Olines. If you look at history, A LOT of teams, in fact a good majority had really good offensive lines.

The Chiefs didn't win a bowl because they didn't have a balanced team. They were all offense and no defense. Yeah they were solid on offense in the Vermeil era. But if you can't stop anybody, you're not gonna win. You have to have a good all round team imo.

It doesn't matter if it was only one team with a crappy O-Line.

The fact is, it clearly shows that you win with playmakers.

Every SB winner had playmakers.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by milkman

It doesn't matter if it was only one team with a crappy O-Line.

The fact is, it clearly shows that you win with playmakers.

Every SB winner had playmakers.

Oh really? It doesn't matter if it's ONLY one team? Wow.

So you're gonna change your whole argument to say it doesn't matter. Nice way of twisting things. F**k it, it does matter..I don't care what people say, history shows it and proves it.

I remember the years when the Cowboys and niners won, there Olines were FANTASTIC. Same can be said when Donkeys won, Skins, etc...I could go on.


And having good Olineman is just the same as having good playmakers. In fact I think there just as important if not more important.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by RedThat

And having good Olineman is just the same as having good playmakers. In fact I think there just as important if not more important.

What are we even arguing about? Yes we want playmakers and we want a good O-line.

You just don't have to spend all your high picks to build that good O-line that's all.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by RedThat

Oh really? It doesn't matter if it's ONLY one team? Wow.

So you're gonna change your whole argument to say it doesn't matter. Nice way of twisting things. F**k it, it does matter..I don't care what people say, history shows it and proves it.

I remember the years when the Cowboys and niners won, there Olines were FANTASTIC. Same can be said when Donkeys won, Skins, etc...I could go on.


And having good Olineman is just the same as having good playmakers. In fact I think there just as important if not more important.

Okay, genius. Go ahead and point out how many first round lineman were necessary to win Super Bowls.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Unless there's a can't miss prospect at left tackle, you can't justify taking him over a can't miss safety like Berry. Even if there was a can't miss prospect, I would still take the safety.

Especially given that there's no reason to believe that Albert's career as a left tackle is over. Or that he doesn't have potential to become much better.

Whats a safety gonna do? Realistically. I'd like to know why people covet Mays and Berry so much? I do think Brown and McGraw are not good. Im with the majority on that one. And even they draft Mays, there gonna be a bad team.

But what are they gonna do? improve the coverage? fine. What good is a secondary without a passrush which the Chiefs don't have. They have to look at whats really important. Your QB is your leader and he can't do it all by himself. He has all this money tied up into him, might as well give him a chance to succeed. Many people and even critics argue that if you're gonna build your football team you do it with the quarterback and with the Oline. You have a good Oline, your running game and passing game will improve, that's half the battle won. That's more important then a safety right now imo.

[Mecca]

The value of the draft says you don't need to even use 1 first round pick to assemble a good offensive line.

Look at how the best teams in the league were built, they weren't dropping 2 top 15 picks on offensive linemen.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by RedThat

Oh really? It doesn't matter if it's ONLY one team? Wow.

So you're gonna change your whole argument to say it doesn't matter. Nice way of twisting things. F**k it, it does matter..I don't care what people say, history shows it and proves it.

I remember the years when the Cowboys and niners won, there Olines were FANTASTIC. Same can be said when Donkeys won, Skins, etc...I could go on.


And having good Olineman is just the same as having good playmakers. In fact I think there just as important if not more important.

The point, dumbass, is that you need playmakers, period.

You get playmakers early.

You can build a great O-Line with 3rd round picks and later.

But you can clearly win a SB without a great O-Line.

But so far there is not one single piece of evidence to show that you win SBs without playmakers.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by RedThat

Whats a safety gonna do? Realistically. I'd like to know why people covet Mays and Berry so much? I do think Brown and McGraw are not good. Im with the majority on that one. And even they draft Mays, there gonna be a bad team.

But what are they gonna do? improve the coverage? fine. What good is a secondary without a passrush which the Chiefs don't have. They have to look at whats really important. Your QB is your leader and he can't do it all by himself. He has all this money tied up into him, might as well give him a chance to succeed. Many people and even critics argue that if you're gonna build your football team you do it with the quarterback and with the Oline. You have a good Oline, your running game and passing game will improve, that's half the battle won. That's more important then a safety right now imo.

Why do you act like the team only has 1 draft pick?

You take the elite player with your first pick regardless, you do not draft needs or reach for position in the top 10 it's stupid as hell.

You build your offensive line in rounds 2+ look at all the good teams in the league that have no 1st round picks on their lines.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by RedThat

Whats a safety gonna do? Realistically. I'd like to know why people covet Mays and Berry so much? I do think Brown and McGraw are not good. Im with the majority on that one. And even they draft Mays, there gonna be a bad team.

But what are they gonna do? improve the coverage? fine. What good is a secondary without a passrush which the Chiefs don't have. They have to look at whats really important. Your QB is your leader and he can't do it all by himself. He has all this money tied up into him, might as well give him a chance to succeed. Many people and even critics argue that if you're gonna build your football team you do it with the quarterback and with the Oline. You have a good Oline, your running game and passing game will improve, that's half the battle won. That's more important then a safety right now imo.

The Pittsburg Steelers and Troy Polamalu would bege to differ.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by milkman

The Pittsburg Steelers and Troy Polamalu would bege to differ.

As would Ed Reed and the Ravens.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RedThat

Whats a safety gonna do? Realistically. I'd like to know why people covet Mays and Berry so much? I do think Brown and McGraw are not good. Im with the majority on that one. And even they draft Mays, there gonna be a bad team.

But what are they gonna do? improve the coverage? fine. What good is a secondary without a passrush which the Chiefs don't have. They have to look at whats really important. Your QB is your leader and he can't do it all by himself. He has all this money tied up into him, might as well give him a chance to succeed. Many people and even critics argue that if you're gonna build your football team you do it with the quarterback and with the Oline. You have a good Oline, your running game and passing game will improve, that's half the battle won. That's more important then a safety right now imo.

You need to watch a Ravens and Steelers game.

Reed and Polamalu are the most important players for two outstanding defenses. If not THE most, then second most.

These guys fly all over the place. They sniff out every single screen pass. They are extremely active in blitzing the QB. When you do a jailbreak blitz, you can leave Polamalu on an island and he'll lock down coverage. These guys are not only fast to make plays, but the best ones are 3 steps ahead of a play because of their ability to read the QB. One QB once spoke of Ed Reed as being a nightmare because he knew exactly what the QB was thinking before the ball was snapped.

Those guys come once in a lifetime. Berry is one of those once in a lifetime guys.

A stud safety has a lot of room to be a huge difference maker in a 3-4.

[RedThat]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Okay, genius. Go ahead and point out how many first round lineman were necessary to win Super Bowls.

Offensive lineman don't get talked about. Which sometimes is a good thing. A lot of times you here either the QB, RB, or WR. The guys people see make plays getting talked about. that's where the attention is most of the time.

*But I sure as will say, Offensive line has contributed greatly in a lot of teams in past history winning bowls. You're not gonna hear linemans name. When the Cowboys won a lot of the attention was towards Emmitt Smith, Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin. You never really hear about Erik Williams, but I sure will say he as damn important and a big reason why those guys succeeded.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by milkman

The Pittsburg Steelers and Troy Polamalu would bege to differ.

Polamalu is the poster boy for taking a safety early.

[ChiefsCountry]

Adrian Wilson of the Cards.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Your foundation for a football team is simple:

You need a franchise QB
You need a Stud LT
You need a Pass Rusher

Thats your foundation.

... soooo what you're saying is the Chiefs are 0/3 when it comes to building a good foundation. Yikes.