Cardinals "Official" 2011 St. Louis Cardinals Thread - Page 14

**BigRedChief** · 02:10 PM

This is so unreal. We were dead. No hope. A season over. Somehow, someway we find some team chemistry and squeak into the playoffs on the last day of the season.

Only to find us facing one of the best pitching staffs assembled in years with home field advantage. We somehow, someway find a way to beat the best pitcher in baseball on the road in an elimination game.

We have to go on the road and beat the team with the best home record in baseball. A team who mortgaged their future to make this run .We somehow, someway find a way to beat them on the road and make our 18th World series trip.

We take game 1, we give away game 2 and home field advantage. Albert goes off for probably the best performance in World Series history and we take game 3 easily. Games 4 & 5 our bats fall asleep, Phone gate happens and its not looking too good.

Game 6, one of the best baseball games of all time and it takes place in a season ending go home game. Cardinals are down 2 runs in their final chance on the season, twice. They are down to their final strike of the season, twice. They give up a 2 run homer in extra innings. In the bottom of the inning their final 3 batters are a combined 3-26 in the Playoffs and a pitcher because the bench is empty. Somehow, someway they get some runners on and the comeback player of the year drives in the tying run. Mr. Freese hits the walk off home run. We will see you tommorrow night.

Game 7, With our bulldog on the mound pitching on 3 days rest he is able to give us 6 good innings and get us to within 9 outs of our 11 World series title. Texas meltsdown, probably left over from last nights game and its over.

The underdog, come back team who had no business even being in the playoffs wins a World championship. They make movies about events like this in life. Events that you remember even if your not a fan of the sport or team for the rest of your life.

When it is your team.......Priceless

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jd1020 · 02-10-2011, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

No way he'll be a Met. The owner is being sued and the Angels just traded for Wells. Not happening.

I agree. A lawsuit is definitely going to stop a NY franchise from bringing in the greatest player in the MLB, maybe history. And Wells is going to prevent the Angels from going after him too.

Rams Fan · 02-10-2011, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

I agree. A lawsuit is definitely going to stop a NY franchise from bringing in the greatest player in the MLB, maybe history. And Wells is going to prevent the Angels from going after him too.

The Mets owner is being sued $300 Million, IIRC. If he doesn't sell 20-25% of the franchise and loses the lawsuit, they are ****ed. And Wells has a contract of like 24 mil. per year.

jd1020 · 02-10-2011, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I think you make your money back On the 300 million from marketing, jerseys, ticket sales and value of the franchise. He's going to start to break records in The next few years. It's a marketing blitz waiting to be leveraged. I could see he cubs doing it for that reason.

It's not really about the next few years. It's about paying him 30mil a year into his 40's. I wouldn't have a problem with it if the deal was for 7-8 years but not 10.

jd1020 · 02-10-2011, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

The Mets owner is being sued $300 Million, IIRC. If he doesn't sell 20-25% of the franchise and loses the lawsuit, they are ****ed. And Wells has a contract of like 24 mil. per year.

He's making $21 mil for the next 4 years and he can opt out after this season, but I doubt he does. Regardless, neither one of your points are going to keep either team from signing Pujols.

**BigRedChief** · 02-10-2011, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

It's not really about the next few years. It's about paying him 30mil a year into his 40's. I wouldn't have a problem with it if the deal was for 7-8 years but not 10.

And that's probably the same position the cardinals are taking inthe negoiations.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2011, 11:09 PM

He's played like a $30 million/year player for 10 ****ing years. If DeWitt wasn't a total dumbshit, he should have realized that this day was coming, and should have socked at least some of that surplus value away for his eventual raise.

Carpenter and Berkman come off the books after this year. That's 20+ million in savings right there. Add that to Pujols' contract and you're at the same payroll you were before. Lohse comes off after 2012. That's another 10 million/year you can use on Wainwright and Rasmus.

The Cardinals' payroll was around 95 million last year. It has been north of $100 million several years ago in a ballpark that generated less revenue. This team can easily, easily sustain a payroll of $120 million. This comes down to DeWitt being cheap and Mozeliak being stupid.

1b: Pujols (30MM)
2b: Schumaker (3 MM)
SS: Theriot (3.3 MM)
3B: Freese (400k)
LF: Holliday (17 MM)
CF Rasmus (400k)
RF Berkman (8MM)
C: Molina (6.5MM)

Bench:

Jay (400k)
Craig (400k)
Laird (1.1 MM)
Punto (750 K)
Greene (400k)

SP: Wainwright (6.5 MM)
SP: Carpenter (15 MM)
SP: Garcia (400k)
SP: Westbrook (8 MM)
SP:Lohse (11.88 MM)

CP:Franklin (3.5 MM)
SU: Motte (400k)
RRP: McClellan (1.38k)
LHRP: Miller (2 MM)
LHRP: Tallett (750k)
RRP: Boggs (400k)
RRP: Lance Lynn (400k)
RRP: Adam Ottavino (400k)

That's 122.66 million.

Now, whack the Berkman, Lohse, and Carpenter contracts off. That's 35 million in savings.

You mean to tell me that the Cardinals couldn't take 20 million of that 35, giving them a 107 MM payroll, and replace Carpenter, Lohse, and Berkman?? Cut off Theriot and Schumaker. That's another 6 million of replacement-level production.

Basically, if the Cardinals can find a pitcher that can give them 90% of 2010 Chris Carpenter for $10 million per, they'll be able to swing the Pujols extension with no elevation of the payroll. Granted, they should tack on another 15-20 after that. If they spend that money wisely, this team could contend.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2011, 11:13 PM

The wise long-term moves are to sign Pujols, shed Lohse and Carpenter, replace Berkman with Craig, and let the one strength of the farm system (RRHP) refill the bullpen. The team will need to find two quality MIFs and a #2 starter, because Garcia will never be that (IMO).

**BigRedChief** · 02-10-2011, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The wise long-term moves are to sign Pujols, shed Lohse and Carpenter, replace Berkman with Craig, and let the one strength of the farm system (RRHP) refill the bullpen. The team will need to find two quality MIFs and a #2 starter, because Garcia will never be that (IMO).

You don't think Shelby can be that #2?

Rams Fan · 02-10-2011, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The wise long-term moves are to sign Pujols, shed Lohse and Carpenter, replace Berkman with Craig, and let the one strength of the farm system (RRHP) refill the bullpen. The team will need to find two quality MIFs and a #2 starter, because Garcia will never be that (IMO).

What about Miller? The top 3 SPs of the rotation could be: Wainwright, Miller, Garcia with Lynn in the 5th spot. Westbrook is probably a short term solution for a 4th starter.

tk13 · 02-10-2011, 11:15 PM

The other option is to let Pujols walk... and sign 30 Ross Gloads.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2011, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

You don't think Shelby can be that #2?

In 2014.

Rams Fan · 02-10-2011, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

In 2014.

There's a chance he could be up with the Cardinals in mid-2013.

**BigRedChief** · 02-10-2011, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

In 2014.

No way. AA star this year. Spring training invite and AAA star with a late callup in 2012. The big show in 2013.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-10-2011, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

There's a chance he could be up with the Cardinals in mid-2013.

He's not going to be a #2 starter then.

Look, there's also a chance you can get surplus value from Descalso, Tyler Greene, Jon Jay, or Allen Craig. If Craig and Descalso pan out as average starters at RF and 2B respectively, this team is in really good shape.

**BigRedChief** · 02-10-2011, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

He's not going to be a #2 starter then.

Look, there's also a chance you can get surplus value from Descalso, Tyler Greene, Jon Jay, or Allen Craig. If Craig and Descalso pan out as average starters at RF and 2B respectively, this team is in really good shape.

Same with freese, if he can stay healthy.

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02-10-2011, 11:09 PM	#201
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7959572	He's played like a $30 million/year player for 10 ****ing years. If DeWitt wasn't a total dumbshit, he should have realized that this day was coming, and should have socked at least some of that surplus value away for his eventual raise. Carpenter and Berkman come off the books after this year. That's 20+ million in savings right there. Add that to Pujols' contract and you're at the same payroll you were before. Lohse comes off after 2012. That's another 10 million/year you can use on Wainwright and Rasmus. The Cardinals' payroll was around 95 million last year. It has been north of $100 million several years ago in a ballpark that generated less revenue. This team can easily, easily sustain a payroll of $120 million. This comes down to DeWitt being cheap and Mozeliak being stupid. 1b: Pujols (30MM) 2b: Schumaker (3 MM) SS: Theriot (3.3 MM) 3B: Freese (400k) LF: Holliday (17 MM) CF Rasmus (400k) RF Berkman (8MM) C: Molina (6.5MM) Bench: Jay (400k) Craig (400k) Laird (1.1 MM) Punto (750 K) Greene (400k) SP: Wainwright (6.5 MM) SP: Carpenter (15 MM) SP: Garcia (400k) SP: Westbrook (8 MM) SP:Lohse (11.88 MM) CP:Franklin (3.5 MM) SU: Motte (400k) RRP: McClellan (1.38k) LHRP: Miller (2 MM) LHRP: Tallett (750k) RRP: Boggs (400k) RRP: Lance Lynn (400k) RRP: Adam Ottavino (400k) That's 122.66 million. Now, whack the Berkman, Lohse, and Carpenter contracts off. That's 35 million in savings. You mean to tell me that the Cardinals couldn't take 20 million of that 35, giving them a 107 MM payroll, and replace Carpenter, Lohse, and Berkman?? Cut off Theriot and Schumaker. That's another 6 million of replacement-level production. Basically, if the Cardinals can find a pitcher that can give them 90% of 2010 Chris Carpenter for $10 million per, they'll be able to swing the Pujols extension with no elevation of the payroll. Granted, they should tack on another 15-20 after that. If they spend that money wisely, this team could contend. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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02-10-2011, 11:13 PM	#202
'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7959572	The wise long-term moves are to sign Pujols, shed Lohse and Carpenter, replace Berkman with Craig, and let the one strength of the farm system (RRHP) refill the bullpen. The team will need to find two quality MIFs and a #2 starter, because Garcia will never be that (IMO). __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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02-10-2011, 11:15 PM	#205
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $1662500	The other option is to let Pujols walk... and sign 30 Ross Gloads.
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