*** Official Youth, High School, College and International Wrestling Thread ***

[rico]

I can't be the only wrestling fan on this site. In fact, I know I that's not the case. The almighty king of n00bs, Sorter, is a wrestling fan. I figure there could be more.....????

Discuss anything wrestling related:

Youth wrestling: Heck, wrestling in Iowa has a rabid Youth wrestling scene...I lived through it, my younger brother lived through it and my brothers who are 15 and 13 are living through it, well the 13 year old is anyway...he's in high school. The 13 year old is a 7th grader who has been wrestling since he was 5 years old and has accumulated 4 state championships since his second grade year...a total badass. Believe it or not, Iowa has a youth wrestling forum that is hopping...even during the summer. Iowans take this stuff seriously. I'm assuming other states have rabid youth followings, for when I watch my bros at National tourneys, we are constantly running into kids and super clubs from other states that are amazing. Ironically, one of the biggest youth tourneys our club hits annually is the Park Hill Individual and Dual tournament...which to my knowledge is in Kansas City (I've never attended that one). Do any of you have kids who are wrestling? If so, how are they doing?

High School Wrestling: High school and college wrestling in Iowa is big... we are known for it, ask AC Slater. State tournament is a big, televised event at the Wells Fargo dome...you will see probably 10 times more spectators at state wrestling in Iowa then any other high school sporting event in Iowa. With some of the crazy talent I have seen/wrestled against at Fargo Nationals, I am assuming that it's either on the rise or just as big in other states as well... What are your thoughts on some of the high school wrestlers and/or teams out there?

College Wrestling: Hell, you Missourians semi-recently had those Askren brothers. I've never met Max, but have met Ben. He was the celebrity guest at Iowa Grade School State one year...he signed autographs and handed the medals and wall charts to all of the kids on the podium that year, which was cool because my youngest brother won it that year and was able to get his championship singlet signed by him. I was with my brother when he approached him....Askren struck me as a funny, goofy type of dude. I don't know Max, but someone posted his blog on an Iowa wrestling message board and the dude seems like a character. I know there are some Oklahomans' who post on this board. Anyone see Okie State defeat Iowa this past weekend? Iowa's first dual loss of the year. Anyone have any thoughts on college wrestling?

International Wrestling: Any of you have any thoughts on the international wrestling scene? Future Olympians, future Olympic champs, future World champs, Greco, Freestyle, etc.?

Wrestling Memories/General Discussion: Any of you have any memories you'd like to share from your personal experience(s) of wrestling when you were in youth, high school or college? Any opinions on females wrestling with males. Last year, a girl named Megan Black made history in Iowa by placing at state. Do you believe females should be able to wrestle with males at that age? Any thoughts on weight cutting? What are some of the most memorable matches to you? Who are your favorite wrestlers? One match that always sticks out to me is this:



Crazy match.

My favorite wrestler (besides my bros and former teammates) of all time is ironically not an Iowan. I don't really have a favorite team in wrestling...I root for individuals. It's a dude from Ohio that I initially hated because I didn't like the way he conducted himself after a match vs. my brother in the national duals when he and my brother were Seniors in High School, in which he defeated my brother. Kid was cocky. He and my brother both went on to wrestle D1, so I followed him since I knew who he was. I ended up becoming a huge fan of the kid's style...the kid could hit cradles from ANY position. He went on to win 2 National titles for Ohio State...and did so both years as an underdog, for he'd lose quite a few silly matches during the season, presumably due to his risky, but dangerous style that worked well for him at NCAA Nationals. It's a dude named Jeff Jaggers. First vid is what really put his name on the map as a high school wrestler. 2nd vid is his 1st NCAA championship as a Junior, in a match where he was a huge underdog, broke his ankle during the match and gutted it out and won. My favorite wrestlers tend to be the ones who are risk takers or brawlers...not afraid to be aggressive or take chances. I can't stand stallish wrestlers who are successful as hell simply because they don't open up and therefore don't give up points and score their own points by capitalizing on the other wrestler's aggression. Boring.






So what ya got?

Note: I have been posting on wrestling message boards for 12 years and I (and I'm sure everyone else involved with the sport) have heard every wrestling joke (rolling around with men, etc.) imaginable, but if ya want to clown on the sport, shoot... it was inevitable to happen anyways on CP, so have at it!

[rico]

Originally Posted by Sorter

What's your lineup look like?

To be honest, I can't remember which wresters were your recommendation, for I've made 3 trades, but I'm sure a couple of them are...I know McMullan and Dechow were your recommendations. Thanks for that...my knowledge at this point is very solid with the high school and youth wrestlers...I just haven't had the time to follow college as much as I would like to. Here is my fantasy lineup...the regular season stuff is obviously over, and I got 3rd in that...now it's a separate tournament thing. 10 team league:

125: Waters
133: Clark
141: Mecate
149: Habat
157: Lavallee
165: Palacio
174: Weatherman
184: Dechow
197: Burak
HWT: McMullan
Flex: Pagdilao (149)
Flex: Heffernan (149)

... I am trying to make a trade with someone who is weak at 149..... not successful so far.

[rico]

Originally Posted by Rudy lost the toss

Guys who didn't wrestle a full season got punished a bit in seeding. Im not sure if your pool is going off ranking or seeds, but if seeds, then Cory Brewer of OU is an obvious pick at 133. He is the 13 seed, but could place top 4. Tough weight though.

Hunter Stieber and Josh Kindig went unseeded at 149, but both are injury concerns. Stieber's elbows are shot and he got rag dolled in the consi-semis against an inferior wrestler at Big Tens. In his previous wins, he asked the ref not to raise his arm after the match. Serious pain.

Storley at 174 is a 6 seed and could easily make the finals.

Nick Dardanes at 141 is a 6 seed and could also make the finals, but there is speculation about his health as well.

Devin Carter at the 4 seed (141) is ridiculous, but the best he will do is 3rd because Stieber is on his side

Zack Beitz (12) at 149 has a good draw but with a limited ceiling (low AA)

Pierce Harger at 165 is a dangerous wrestler as a 7 seed. Avoids Dieringer, Sulzer,and Bo Jordan on the opposite side of the brcket. Tough first round draw though.

Brett Pfarr the 11 seed at 184 could make a run. The bottom side of that bracket is pretty open.

Coon as the 6 seed at 285 is a pretty decent pick.

It's based off of rankings, not seeds. I should have specified that. Still though, this post was super helpful. Thanks man.

I will post the rules of the pool that I am in...maybe we can get something like this started on here???

1.) Each entry will consist of 10 wrestlers. 1 wrestler per weight class.

2.) The top 15 ranked wrestlers in each weight class will be assigned a point value based on their ranking from 20 to 2. Here are the values:

Ranked 1: 20
Ranked 2: 17
Ranked 3: 15
Ranked 4: 14
Ranked 5: 12
Ranked 6: 11
Ranked 7: 9
Ranked 8: 8
Ranked 9: 6
Ranked 10: 5
Ranked 11: 4
Ranked 12: 3
Ranked 13: 2
Ranked 14: 2
Ranked 15: 2

3) TEAMS WILL HAVE A MAXIMUM OF 130 POINTS. THERE IS NO MINIMUM.

4.) CHAMPION BONUS: Each team will list its choice for champion at each weight class in a separate space provided. There are no values assigned, simply choose who you think will win. 2 points will be awarded for each correct pick. 2 points X 10 weight classes = 20 points possible. This is like adding a champion to your team.

6. Tie Breaker Criteria:

A.) Most champions on roster.
B.) Most All-Americans on roster.
C.) Most bonus pick champions.
D.) Highest Individul Scorer on Roster
E.) Split

* Then it goes into the money shit, that wouldn't apply here if we did this, but for what it's worth: 60% payout to 1st place, 25% payout to 2nd place, 15% payout to 3rd place.

MY TEAM:

125: Gilman (12)
133: Clark (12)
141: Stieber (20)
149: Tsirtsis (20)
157: Murphy (8)
165: Harger (9)
174: Wilps (9)
184: Pfarr (3)
197: J'Den (20)
HWT: McMullan (17)

*130 on the dot.

MY CHAMPION PICKS

125: Waters
133: Clark
141: Stieber
149: Houdashelt
157: Martinez
165: Dieringer
174: Kokesh
184: Dean
197: J'Den
Hwt: McMullan

Anyone want to try this out? Could be fun.

[NewChief]

The boy ended up placing 4th in State today. He wrestled well.

[rico]

Also, don't know which wrestling team you guys are fans of, but I am assuming there are some Mizzou fans in here. Thought I would drop a line about what my brothers are looking to do post-high school. Ben Askren handed out awards at Iowa Grade School State a few years ago. Every year, they have a wrestling celebrity hand out awards, hang out with the kids and sign autographs. One year it was Gable. Another year it was Rulon (that dude seemed depressed as hell...just a downer to be around). Another year they had Cory Clark and Jon Meeks...the year they won their 4th HS titles in Iowa. The year Askren handed out awards, my youngest brother (now a Freshman) pinned his way through the tourney and won OW for his division...he ended up winning that tourney 4 times, which is tied for the record. The older one (now a Junior) placed 3rd that year. They both got to talk to Askren for a while and they freaking loved him and because of his personality, he instantly became one of their favorite all time wrestlers along with Cary Kolat. Evidently they thought he was really funny and what-not...which my whole family appreciates humor.

Anyways, they are going to a 5 day camp with Askren this Summer and are super stoked about it. My Junior brother is looking to wrestle after college. He would like to wrestle D1, even if he has to walk on. He placed 7th at state as a Sophomore, 4th as a Junior this year (ranked 2nd all year and was put on the shitty side of the bracket...the kid he handled easily in the district finals placed 2nd...the Champion pretty much had his way with my bro in the semis, but that kid has brought it up a level this year...on of Iowa's best and a returning Fargo All-American) and has racked up a really good record to boot. He finished like 51-3 this season.

He is interested in 2 schools. UNI because his older bro wrestled there...plus some of his former teammates are there. I don't like this idea. Sorter may know why...

He is also interested in wrestling for Mizzou for 2 reasons: Askren being his favorite wrestler and the Miklus brothers. The Miklus's went to a school in Iowa called Southeast Polk, which is a 3A powerhouse... My bro is really good friends with an ex-teammate of Miklus's named Colin Strickland as well as a kid named Aaron Meyer. He got to know one of them through those two and really hit it off with him. He is friends with a lot of those Polk kids.

I realize he isn't currently like a total blue-chip, can't miss D1 prospect at the moment, but there are some positives with him. He is dedicated, and is ALWAYS attempting to actively learn and improve...Even if failed to improve from where he is at (which is unlikely...there hasn't been a year since he was in 1st grade that he hasn't taken at least a gradual step forward) he would be a nice kid to have in the room. Not to mention, he and my youngest brother are inseparable. It would most definitely be a package deal with those two no matter where he decides to go. And many people (mostly local) are predicting my youngest (Freshman) brother to be a 2-3 time state champion in Iowa. My youngest brother is a little rough around the edges, but is fearless and athletic as hell and extremely...dangerous... He did well at 120 lbs at state and physical maturity wise, he is still a little boy...just kind of hitting puberty now...is growing like me and I was 119 as a Freshman and the last time I wrestled in college, I was having to cut my ass off to make 184. If you watched the video a couple pages earlier, he almost upset the Iowan Junior in the semis at state who is arguably in the top 5 for being the best pound for pound Iowa high school wrestler in the state...DEFINITELY, one of the most dominant...pins or techs about everyone prior to the start of the 3rd period...and my bro was UP 7-4 to start the 3rd and UP 8-6 with 50 seconds left in the match when he got caught on his back. That kid, btw, is probably going to follow his idol, Derek St. John to South Dakota State...that team is hitting the Iowa high school kids hard and are landing some.

Last year, my youngest bro in Folkstyle finished his 8th grade year with a 70-something and 3 record. Lost to a California kid at the NUWAY Duals. Crapped his pants and blew a 5 point lead vs. one of his best friends, Garrett Niel at AAU State and lost a match in OT in a dual meet at the Park Hill Duals of all places to a kid from Kansas City area named Jake Beason. Anyone know of that kid or how he did as a Freshman this season? 2-3 years ago, my bro used to have battles with a Mizzou kid named Weston Diblasi, but those two have seemed to grow apart from each other in weight. Anyone know anything about either of those 2?

Anyways, for those who care...my bros are very interested in wrestling for Missouri. And I am all for it, but know very little about the program, excluding the obvious. Anyone want to fill me in on some of the ins and outs of Mizzou wrestling?

[rico]

Originally Posted by NewChief

The boy ended up placing 4th in State today. He wrestled well.

AWESOME!!!Missouri state or Kansas state tournament?! What grade? Wasn't this his 1st or second season wrestling? That is wonderful news! Congratulations to your boy! Looks like you may have a monster on your hands!

Wrestling becomes addicting once you either do it or have a loved one who becomes involved, doesn't it?

[rico]

Originally Posted by Big Smoke

I always thought this was a parody thread. Huh.

Ugh.

Parody of what?

Let me guess. WWE?




THAT'S NOT REAL WRASSLIN, YOU A-HOLE!!!

[rico]

One of the best matches ever between two of my favorite all time wrestlers:



Cary Kolat is probably one of my faves of all time. Have you seen his technique videos? The guy has a knack for showing some real unique and effective wrestling moves and makes it interesting in the process.

I also like Ironside. Went to a camp of his when I was a 4th grade. The dude was really funny without trying to be and showed some really good set ups.

Did you know that Ironside (Cedar Rapids Jefferson) and Jeff McGinness (Iowa City High), both NCAA champs for Iowa, met when they were in high school and McGinness, I guess, majored him?!?! That is NUTS. I realize McGiness is awesome, but I can't even wrap my head around Ironside being majored.

[rico]

The infamous Cary Kolat back flip:

[rico]

Just sick technique:





UNI's 125 pounder, Dylan Peters won 3 state championships and placed 2nd weighing 89 lbs. wrestling 106 his Freshman season. His bread and butter move, was this cement job that Koiat shows. He used to DESTROY kids with this move:



My personal favorite:











Seriously...this dude is amazing. NewChief: If you ever get a chance, show your son some of this stuff...the way he explains it makes it pretty easy to understand, even for a youth wrestler.

My brothers' Christmas present from me this year was a subscription to Kolat.com.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by rico

Also, don't know which wrestling team you guys are fans of, but I am assuming there are some Mizzou fans in here. Thought I would drop a line about what my brothers are looking to do post-high school. Ben Askren handed out awards at Iowa Grade School State a few years ago. Every year, they have a wrestling celebrity hand out awards, hang out with the kids and sign autographs. One year it was Gable. Another year it was Rulon (that dude seemed depressed as hell...just a downer to be around). Another year they had Cory Clark and Jon Meeks...the year they won their 4th HS titles in Iowa. The year Askren handed out awards, my youngest brother (now a Freshman) pinned his way through the tourney and won OW for his division...he ended up winning that tourney 4 times, which is tied for the record. The older one (now a Junior) placed 3rd that year. They both got to talk to Askren for a while and they freaking loved him and because of his personality, he instantly became one of their favorite all time wrestlers along with Cary Kolat. Evidently they thought he was really funny and what-not...which my whole family appreciates humor.

Anyways, they are going to a 5 day camp with Askren this Summer and are super stoked about it. My Junior brother is looking to wrestle after college. He would like to wrestle D1, even if he has to walk on. He placed 7th at state as a Sophomore, 4th as a Junior this year (ranked 2nd all year and was put on the shitty side of the bracket...the kid he handled easily in the district finals placed 2nd...the Champion pretty much had his way with my bro in the semis, but that kid has brought it up a level this year...on of Iowa's best and a returning Fargo All-American) and has racked up a really good record to boot. He finished like 51-3 this season.

He is interested in 2 schools. UNI because his older bro wrestled there...plus some of his former teammates are there. I don't like this idea. Sorter may know why...

He is also interested in wrestling for Mizzou for 2 reasons: Askren being his favorite wrestler and the Miklus brothers. The Miklus's went to a school in Iowa called Southeast Polk, which is a 3A powerhouse... My bro is really good friends with an ex-teammate of Miklus's named Colin Strickland as well as a kid named Aaron Meyer. He got to know one of them through those two and really hit it off with him. He is friends with a lot of those Polk kids.

I realize he isn't currently like a total blue-chip, can't miss D1 prospect at the moment, but there are some positives with him. He is dedicated, and is ALWAYS attempting to actively learn and improve...Even if failed to improve from where he is at (which is unlikely...there hasn't been a year since he was in 1st grade that he hasn't taken at least a gradual step forward) he would be a nice kid to have in the room. Not to mention, he and my youngest brother are inseparable. It would most definitely be a package deal with those two no matter where he decides to go. And many people (mostly local) are predicting my youngest (Freshman) brother to be a 2-3 time state champion in Iowa. My youngest brother is a little rough around the edges, but is fearless and athletic as hell and extremely...dangerous... He did well at 120 lbs at state and physical maturity wise, he is still a little boy...just kind of hitting puberty now...is growing like me and I was 119 as a Freshman and the last time I wrestled in college, I was having to cut my ass off to make 184. If you watched the video a couple pages earlier, he almost upset the Iowan Junior in the semis at state who is arguably in the top 5 for being the best pound for pound Iowa high school wrestler in the state...DEFINITELY, one of the most dominant...pins or techs about everyone prior to the start of the 3rd period...and my bro was UP 7-4 to start the 3rd and UP 8-6 with 50 seconds left in the match when he got caught on his back. That kid, btw, is probably going to follow his idol, Derek St. John to South Dakota State...that team is hitting the Iowa high school kids hard and are landing some.

Last year, my youngest bro in Folkstyle finished his 8th grade year with a 70-something and 3 record. Lost to a California kid at the NUWAY Duals. Crapped his pants and blew a 5 point lead vs. one of his best friends, Garrett Niel at AAU State and lost a match in OT in a dual meet at the Park Hill Duals of all places to a kid from Kansas City area named Jake Beason. Anyone know of that kid or how he did as a Freshman this season? 2-3 years ago, my bro used to have battles with a Mizzou kid named Weston Diblasi, but those two have seemed to grow apart from each other in weight. Anyone know anything about either of those 2?

Anyways, for those who care...my bros are very interested in wrestling for Missouri. And I am all for it, but know very little about the program, excluding the obvious. Anyone want to fill me in on some of the ins and outs of Mizzou wrestling?

Send me a PM.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by rico

Just sick technique:





UNI's 125 pounder, Dylan Peters won 3 state championships and placed 2nd weighing 89 lbs. wrestling 106 his Freshman season. His bread and butter move, was this cement job that Koiat shows. He used to DESTROY kids with this move:



My personal favorite:











Seriously...this dude is amazing. NewChief: If you ever get a chance, show your son some of this stuff...the way he explains it makes it pretty easy to understand, even for a youth wrestler.

My brothers' Christmas present from me this year was a subscription to Kolat.com.

[rico]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Rock on. I'll check this out when I get home. Phone only has 2 reception bars right now.

You guys gonna get into that wrestling contest I posted above? Sorter? Rudy? Brianfo? GloryDayz? Anyone who follows wrestling? I'll have to post a link to the rankings so you all know the values.

[rico]

Rankings can be found here: http://www.intermatwrestle.com/rankings/college

I can copy and paste them when I get to a computer tomorrow...

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by rico

Rock on. I'll check this out when I get home. Phone only has 2 reception bars right now.

You guys gonna get into that wrestling contest I posted above? Sorter? Rudy? Brianfo? GloryDayz? Anyone who follows wrestling? I'll have to post a link to the rankings so you all know the values.

There's a whole clinic of OSU stuff if you look at the user's uploaded videos.

[rico]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Awesome! I know what the bros, dad and I will be spending an hour doing in the near future (watching this). Thanks Sorter!