What is Trevor Lawrence worth?

[BlackOp]

I think this kid is the next "generational" QB along with Mahomes....albeit different playing styles. I really hope he gets drafted to the NFC.

His highlight reel...in which he's a freshman, is pretty fantastic. To play like that, a year removed from high school,...yikes.

What is he worth in draft capital?...hypothetically, if the #1 (drafting) team just chose a top QB the year before?

Two entire drafts? 3-4 first round picks?

What would Mahomes go for...if teams knew he was a 50 TD QB?

A generational QB can define your franchise....for like 15 years.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

These bluechip college QBs have just as high of a bust rate (if not bigger) as the QBs from smaller programs.

And quite a few of the top universities are having issues producing starting NFL QBs. People loved to rag on Texas Tech for years and years, but how many Tech guys before Mahomes got drafted in a 30 year span? Now compare that to the number of drafted Ohio State and Alabama guys in that same span. And finally, tally up the successful QBs from every school.

Oh. Looks like Tech comes out on top. They have 1, and tOSU and Alabama have a big fat ****ing squadoosh.

Thanks for playing, national championship winners.

Agreed. Finding a QB is hard. Hell look at Russell Wilson, there is a shitload of NFL tape on him and he surprisingly blows ass. I’m as big a Donk hater as anyone and I thought he would be good for them.

Turns out finding QBs is hard.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Are you sure about that? We'll find out here in a few weeks that he is washed.

Nope. Not even a little bit. And I hope he crashes and burns in a similar fashion to DangeRuss. But I think it’s fair to say for the purposes of the argument re: Lawrence that Clemson isn’t 100% of the problem.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by BossChief

It kinda makes me wonder who Veach is going to get to replace Henne long term. Draft picks are very valuable so will he draft a Kevin Kolb or trade for a Trevor Lawrence/Trey Lance or simply sign someone with potential upside in FA.

You think the Jaguars are going to trade Lawrence for backup-QB level compensation? Or that we're going to trade away picks for a backup QB?

[Mecca]

Jacksonville is nowhere near giving up on Lawrence.

[dlphg9]

I'd give a pile of dogshit or 2 for him!

[Chris Meck]

Pederson had Wentz looking like an MVP and won a Super Bowl with Nick Foles.

If he can't get anything out of Lawrence, then Lawrence is truly shit.

But he'll get another year after this one to show something.

[MarkDavis'Haircut]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

These bluechip college QBs have just as high of a bust rate (if not bigger) as the QBs from smaller programs.

And quite a few of the top universities are having issues producing starting NFL QBs. People loved to rag on Texas Tech for years and years, but how many Tech guys before Mahomes got drafted in a 30 year span? Now compare that to the number of drafted Ohio State and Alabama guys in that same span. And finally, tally up the successful QBs from every school.

Oh. Looks like Tech comes out on top. They have 1, and tOSU and Alabama have a big fat ****ing squadoosh.

Thanks for playing, national championship winners.

Those QBs are handicapped because they go from the perfect situation at Bama/OSU/Clemson where they have weapons, coaching, and defense galore to putrid franchise that have nothing similar.

"Trevor Lawrence is a winner" was the cry. No crap. He played at Clemson in the weak ACC. 95% of the teams he played in college were outgunned.

Then those QBs are drafted by desperate franchises and desperate fan bases who think the QB is going to do it all. But they struggle because they usually don't have the best coaches, weapons, or defensive support. So they lose confidence as they are blamed for everything.

"But he was a winner in college!"

Rinse and repeat. Stroud will be the new Fields. Young will be the next Tua.

[Mecca]

Look at Jacksonvilles roster...it's pretty much a picture perfect scenario to have a QB look shitty.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Look at Jacksonvilles roster...it's pretty much a picture perfect scenario to have a QB look shitty.

You're making excuses. Lawrence has issues that go well beyond just the talent around him. He's just not nearly as talented as people made him out to be.

What are the elite traits?

Hint: he doesn't have any

[O.city]

I gotta credit staylor he nailed this one so far.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You're making excuses. Lawrence has issues that go well beyond just the talent around him. He's just not nearly as talented as people made him out to be.

What are the elite traits?

Hint: he doesn't have any

I think he deserves longer than 5 minutes without Urban Meyer to make a judgement.

Also if you say all QB's that get picked will suck you'll swing a decent %, I mean shit to this point Lawrence, Fields, Wilson none of them are any good.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You're making excuses. Lawrence has issues that go well beyond just the talent around him. He's just not nearly as talented as people made him out to be.

What are the elite traits?

Hint: he doesn't have any

Well, no. But does he have any physical traits that are below average? He has prototypical skills. Right now his biggest issue is between the ears especially in the red zone. But yeah in the pros he’s going to need to develop that quite a bit instead of relying on his supporting talent and leaky college defenses.

It’s just hard to really know what you have right now. Josh Allen was babied along in his early years and joe burrow was surrounded by elite talent. He’s really spent the whole offseason un****ing himself from coaching and then this season learning a very difficult offense. In a league where defenses have gotten way better and you’re not just going to have average rookies shredding the league anymore. Even vets like carr and Russell and rodgers are having tough years. Mecca is right in many ways that we’re watching guys like Lawrence and fields get thrown completely to the wolves.

I think we’ve gotten past thinking he’s a generational talent but if Trevor wasn’t such a disaster in the red zone he actually would be having a fairly normal sophomore season. He’s got a really really long way to go but I think there’s plenty good shot he turns into a very good qb.

[kstater]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You're making excuses. Lawrence has issues that go well beyond just the talent around him. He's just not nearly as talented as people made him out to be.

What are the elite traits?

Hint: he doesn't have any

Originally Posted by kstater

It's almost as if you should sit rookie qbs or something.

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[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Mecca

How many Ohio State QB's have been picked highly? Fields is like the only one..

Two first rounders in the past 5 years. Fields and Haskins.

Seems to me like teams aren't averse to Ohio State QBs.

[Best22]

Originally Posted by Carr4MVP

Those QBs are handicapped because they go from the perfect situation at Bama/OSU/Clemson where they have weapons, coaching, and defense galore to putrid franchise that have nothing similar.

"Trevor Lawrence is a winner" was the cry. No crap. He played at Clemson in the weak ACC. 95% of the teams he played in college were outgunned.

Then those QBs are drafted by desperate franchises and desperate fan bases who think the QB is going to do it all. But they struggle because they usually don't have the best coaches, weapons, or defensive support. So they lose confidence as they are blamed for everything.

"But he was a winner in college!"

Rinse and repeat. Stroud will be the new Fields. Young will be the next Tua.

Trevor Lawrence never really had to comeback in games at Clemson. Dude was playing on front 99% of the time.

Only comeback win was against OSU who had a hurt RB, a DB that got ejected for targeting, and Fields choked