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Old 11-01-2019, 08:08 AM  
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KC Star demands the Chiefs stop the chop

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Stop the offensive ‘Arrowhead Chop.’ It’s time for a new Chiefs tradition

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The image of former Kansas City Chiefs star Derrick Johnson banging the war drum at Arrowhead Stadium provided a stark reminder of the home team’s offensive and outdated tradition.

While Johnson led the prelude to last Sunday’s nationally-televised contest between the Chiefs and Green Bay, fans waved their arms back and forth in unison, banding together for the Tomahawk Chop.

It was a bad look for Kansas City — and an affront to Native Americans.

For years, the Chiefs organization has worked with Native American groups to address concerns about the negative stereotypes that have been on display at our home games. The team no longer promotes face paint or headdresses that disrespect the heritage or customs of Native Americans.

And Native Americans have blessed the use of the Chiefs’ war drum in accordance with their customs and rituals.

But the ever-present “Arrowhead Chop” at home games, along with Chiefs officials’ unwillingness to disavow the cheer, are evidence that the team still has more work to do.

“The Arrowhead Chop is part of the game-day experience that is really important to our fans,” said team President Mark Donovan.

But why? Arrowhead Stadium is one of the loudest places to play in the NFL, and there’s no doubt that Chiefs fans will bring the noise — with or without the chop.

The divisive chant is racially insensitive and entirely unnecessary.

“The chop itself is the most disgusting thing you can do in sports,” said Amanda Blackhorse of Arizona to Rally Against Native Mascots, a national group opposed to the use of Native American images in sports.

The continued use of Native American mascots, nicknames and themes in sports dehumanizes Native Americans, Blackhorse said.

“I disagree with so much of what they are doing,” she said of the Chiefs organization’s continued encouragement of the chop. “At this point, they are ignoring the opposition. Shame on them for allowing racism to happen in that stadium.”

Elizabeth Glynn, the CEO of Travois, which helps create affordable housing and economic development opportunities for American Indians, has spoken to leaders of tribal nations and said most are against the use of any imagery that depicts Native Americans in a bad light. Travois works with more than 100 tribes in 22 states.

“No one wants to take away the enjoyment for fans,” Glynn said. “There are a lot of ways to have fun at games. You can do that without labeling and stereotyping an entire group of people.”

Of course, the Chiefs aren’t the only organization that has clung to this offensive celebration. The Tomahawk Chop came under fire earlier this month during the Major League Baseball playoff series between the St. Louis Cardinals and the Atlanta Braves.

St. Louis pitcher Ryan Helsley of the Cherokee Nation was asked for his thoughts about the Braves’ game-day tradition. Hensley didn’t mince words, and the Atlanta organization immediately halted its foam tomahawks giveaway.

“I’m trying to use my voice to get awareness out there and try to help people in that way, to help people see another side, help people see our side,” Helsley told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

While sports teams have paid lip service to racial sensitivity, the Washington Redskins have shown no inclination to change their distasteful and inappropriate nickname. Cleveland’s baseball team was painfully slow to phase out its mascot, which belittled Native Americans, Chief Wahoo.

The Chiefs have taken steps in the right direction, but their unwavering commitment to the Arrowhead Chop is confounding and disappointing. What purpose does it serve? And why continue the chant if it offends even a single Native American?

Chiefs fans are among the most loyal and enthusiastic in the NFL. And there’s no doubt they would fill any void left by the absence of the chop with a high-decibel celebration of our team.

November is National Native American Heritage Month. The Chiefs plan to celebrate the culture during a game against Oakland on Dec. 1. But the organization could do far more good if it used this month to reevaluate a practice that perpetuates stereotypes and dehumanizes an entire group.

It’s time for a new Chiefs tradition.
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Old 11-01-2019, 08:26 PM   #196
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Agree with this. The chop isn't offensive but it's a stupid ripoff of FSU and the chant is just annoying, IMO. Redskins, otoh, needs to go away. You definitely could not and should not use black, brown or yellow skins so why does red persist? Because NAs have so little voice or representation.
Actually the National Anthem shout and Chop are from The Braves
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Old 11-01-2019, 08:32 PM   #197
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Old 11-01-2019, 09:57 PM   #198
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It's an honor chant. We want to beat our opponent. There is nothing disrespectful implied.
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Old 11-01-2019, 10:03 PM   #199
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That twitter comment by a native-american Chiefs fan pretty much ends this silly argument. The chop is a team tradition and has no hidden political message behind it.
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Old 11-01-2019, 11:10 PM   #200
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I see the Star is doubling down on their SJW bullshit hit pieces.

I hope that paper burns, literally and figuratively.

With any luck, they’ll be out of business when the Chiefs hoist the Lamar Hunt trophy.

**** em!

**** em long! And **** em hard!!
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Old 11-02-2019, 05:16 AM   #201
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This is just ridiculous.So many other things to make a stand for, and they pick this?
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Old 11-02-2019, 06:36 AM   #202
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Chop the Star instead.
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Old 11-02-2019, 06:47 AM   #203
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I agree with the Star! Let's blow kisses instead to both teams and replace the football with a balloon. It's time to be kind! Also the CHIEFS should change their name to the CHEFS after the great people of KC and their BBQ. The CHEFS logo would be a open GRILL with a few steaks with BBQ sauce dripping and smoke rising from it.

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Old 11-02-2019, 07:28 AM   #204
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Chop the Star instead.
All of the Arrowhead South chapters avoid controversies. No religion or political talk etc. But............. we have always encouraged the chop. Doing the chop with a room full of people after a score is fun. It unites and shares our excitement about the Chiefs.

I've asked some of our Chief fans over the years with native American ancestry about it, none were upset. We are not going to stop doing the chop.
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Old 11-02-2019, 07:30 AM   #205
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Old 11-02-2019, 08:24 AM   #206
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I mean, none of those people have been nearly wiped out by genocide and marginalized in this country for hundreds of years but other than that yeah it's definitely the same thing
Wait, you don’t think Irish Americans have been extensively discriminated against in this countries history? Educate yourself. Look up the know nothing movement.

Note-I’m not claiming the Irish had it anywhere nearly as bad as the NA’s, but that’s not the point. The point is there IS a history of discrimination against the Irish in this country, and you don’t hear them complaining.

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Old 11-02-2019, 08:29 AM   #207
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Build an Indian Casino next to Arrowhead and call it a day.
Yes...and a number of Native American tribes would step up.
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Wait, you don’t think Irish Americans have been extensively discriminated against in this countries history? Educate yourself. Look up the know nothing movement.

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100 years ago when immigrants were fleeing famine in Ireland and taking American jobs. But now, the Irish have it easy today. The vast majority want to be of Irish ancestry. Being Irish is in no way a negative in America today.
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