*****The Joshua Williams Thread*****

[RealSNR]

Yeah. That’s the thing. I love Sneed, but… I mean just look at that CB lineup.

And guess what. We’ll probably draft another late round corner this year. And he’ll probably turn into a really nice depth piece.

If dropping Sneed allows us to pursue a FA WR or a Jones replacement, yeah, I’ll take that.

[KCUnited]

Hopefully we can get to a point where no one but Pat gets a second contract

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Yeah. That’s the thing. I love Sneed, but… I mean just look at that CB lineup.

And guess what. We’ll probably draft another late round corner this year. And he’ll probably turn into a really nice depth piece.

If dropping Sneed allows us to pursue a FA WR or a Jones replacement, yeah, I’ll take that.

I agree.

I’d love to have Sneed back but if there’s any position group where you just trust Veach and Spags, it’s DB.

[Pitt Gorilla]

OR, having a player like Sneed is a large part of what allows our other guys to blossom. They're all great players, but I think they're better with Sneed.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

OR, having a player like Sneed is a large part of what allows our other guys to blossom. They're all great players, but I think they're better with Sneed.

Exactly.

Williams isn't going to have those numbers shadowing Hill. Heck, McDuffie will have to move up a step in the pecking order as well.

I think Sneed's ability to essentially do anything Spags needs him to do, up to and including locking down best WRs in the NFL, makes life a LOT easier for everyone else.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Exactly.

Williams isn't going to have those numbers shadowing Hill. Heck, McDuffie will have to move up a step in the pecking order as well.

I think Sneed's ability to essentially do anything Spags needs him to do, up to and including locking down best WRs in the NFL, makes life a LOT easier for everyone else.

Exactly. Give Sneed a contract that has an out the year we have to pay McDuffie. Keep those two together for a few more years.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

OR, having a player like Sneed is a large part of what allows our other guys to blossom. They're all great players, but I think they're better with Sneed.

This. We're so ****ing spoiled with raw talent right now, that it's hard to place accurate value on what we have. But make no mistake, Sneed is a very special talent and he's playing out of his mind this season. That perfect mix of confidence and aggression. He's straight shut down some of the best receivers this season, mostly under the radar. If we could sign him for a quality long term deal, it would go a long way toward the future of this defense.

[-King-]

These cheapest team possible Olympics are getting insane

[ThyKingdomCome15]

Originally Posted by -King-

These cheapest team possible Olympics are getting insane

They're loading up on WR this offseason. WR limbo is coming to an end.

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by -King-

These cheapest team possible Olympics are getting insane

Nonsensical. No one is suggesting the Chiefs aren't going to spend all of their cap space on players, you're happy spending that 18m on corner, others want that spent on WR or DT or wherever else.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Chargem

Nonsensical. No one is suggesting the Chiefs aren't going to spend all of their cap space on players, you're happy spending that 18m on corner, others want that spent on WR or DT or wherever else.

You kind of NEED to pay your excellent young players that second contract. For a couple of reasons-

1)You can't COMPLETELY retool every couple of years, if you can keep that to re-doing one position group per it's hard enough.

2)It sends a bad message to your locker room that you can't get paid here. That's not good.

Jones is up for his 3rd deal; that's a different story. And even now, there are times when he's not honoring his run fits because he's chasing sacks. He's a very good player, and is absolutely elite AT TIMES, but also disappears for long stretches. You don't pay him $30m per into his mid-thirties. You're not likely to get that production. 10 sacks is not worth that.

Sneed is younger, and he and Mcduffie are such a great and versatile pair that it allows Spags to do whatever he wants. You pay Sneed that second deal.

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

You kind of NEED to pay your excellent young players that second contract. For a couple of reasons-

1)You can't COMPLETELY retool every couple of years, if you can keep that to re-doing one position group per it's hard enough.

2)It sends a bad message to your locker room that you can't get paid here. That's not good.

Jones is up for his 3rd deal; that's a different story. And even now, there are times when he's not honoring his run fits because he's chasing sacks. He's a very good player, and is absolutely elite AT TIMES, but also disappears for long stretches. You don't pay him $30m per into his mid-thirties. You're not likely to get that production. 10 sacks is not worth that.

Sneed is younger, and he and Mcduffie are such a great and versatile pair that it allows Spags to do whatever he wants. You pay Sneed that second deal.

I think this one is pretty muddy in my mind, I love Sneed and do hope they pay him, but at the same time I like the corners and secondary in general that are currently under contract in 2024 a lot better than I like the WR room or DT position.

If you can keep Sneed, sign some non-jags at DT and improve the WR room with the current cap position, then great definitely do that. If you can trade Sneed for a late 1st or early 2nd round pick and that's what you need to do to improve the overall team, so be it.

I think point 2 in your list is overblown by fans, just like the "come sign for a discount and get a ring" fallacy. I would believe Sneed 100% if he says he wants to stay in KC, but if its another team offering him a 4 year 72m deal, I don't think he is losing any sleep over it and I don't think the locker room is either, they understand its a business and are happy for their friends/colleagues when they get the bag, whoever hands it to them. Plus Andy Reid is never going to lose a locker room.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Chargem

Nonsensical. No one is suggesting the Chiefs aren't going to spend all of their cap space on players, you're happy spending that 18m on corner, others want that spent on WR or DT or wherever else.

Why the hell is it an either/or situation? You don't need to get rid of your elite DT AND CB to get a WR or DT.

[Chargem]

Originally Posted by -King-

Why the hell is it an either/or situation? You don't need to get rid of your elite DT AND CB to get a WR or DT.

Changing your argument now. You said not signing Sneed is being "cheap" - whether Sneed is a Chief next year or not, the roster is still going to be 53 players and they are going to spend ~$245million on them. The dumb thing you said is still dumb.

And why is it an either or? Have you heard of the salary cap? When you spend money somewhere, you have less money to spend in other places.

I am also not saying its definitely an either/or. You might be able to retain Sneed and improve at WR and only get a little worse at DT. I just don't think its a dead certainty, if you have to tag Sneed and then the negotiations drag out, you're limiting your ability to make moves in FA.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Chargem

Changing your argument now. You said not signing Sneed is being "cheap" - whether Sneed is a Chief next year or not, the roster is still going to be 53 players and they are going to spend ~$245million on them. The dumb thing you said is still dumb.

And why is it an either or? Have you heard of the salary cap? When you spend money somewhere, you have less money to spend in other places.

I am also not saying its definitely an either/or. You might be able to retain Sneed and improve at WR and only get a little worse at DT. I just don't think its a dead certainty, if you have to tag Sneed and then the negotiations drag out, you're limiting your ability to make moves in FA.

You don't have to get rid of your elite CB to get a good WR. We have options. Either draft. Or restructure Mahomes to get a WR in FA/trade.

I really can't wait for Veach to restructure Mahomes contract this off season so this myth that his contract is this huge hindrance to building a team. It's getting ridiculous. Everytime a player proves himself and is due a new contract, there's this big race to trade them and it's just getting ****ing dumb. The Ravens have paid their elite players including their QB, signed elite players, and drafted well. We should be moving like how they do not trying to recreate the Patriot way bullshit. Yeah sometimes you do have to let a player go, but to suggest we should trade and let go both Sneed and Jones is just stupid team building IMO. They have to keep one of the two. If that means making Sneed a top 5 paid CB, then so be it. Figure the rest out.