Chiefs Offsides reality - Page 14

tredadda · 12-10-2023, 09:46 PM

Looking at the offsides on Toney and the “Let them play” mentality a few things stick out.

1. He was offsides and like it or not, that is inexcusable on his part. Toney should never line up offsides…….ever. That’s a Pee Wee league type of mistake. He didn’t just start playing football this year. Pre snap penalties are the worst because they are completely preventable. He should have never left it up to a ref to decide one way or another, especially with the quality of reffing league wide lately.

2. I get the “Let them play” mindset and not letting a questionable call impact a game. But it can’t be “Let them play” when convenient and when not calls should be made. Look at the SB when KC benefited from a penalty that essentially sealed the game. Had the refs swallowed the whistle like what was wanted today KC might well have lost the SB. We benefited from that penalty. But today we want to yell at the clouds because it was called. Both times the penalty was called, just this time it went against KC.

3. Even after the penalty they still had time to pick up the yards and score a TD and is systemic of how the offense has played for large portions of the year. This team has a championship caliber defense, but the offense is not what we all expect. That might mean an early exit this year. Simply put if the offense hasn’t figured it out by now I question whether they will.

It is what it is.

FloridaMan88 · 12-11-2023, 01:25 PM

I think we are seeing why accountability is an issue for this year’s team…

Andy Reid asked about the #Chiefs attention to detail: "It's getting done 90 percent of the time but you've got to keep it right the whole time at this level. And that's what we're working on"
— Aaron Ladd (@aaronladdtv) December 11, 2023

philfree · 12-11-2023, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Teicher asked Andy if he was considering benching Toney.

Andy’s response was that he’s young, but improving.

Hmmmm.

I wouldn't bench anybody. This isn't college where there's a 100 guys on the roster so we have to find a way to win with the guys we have. We'll see how the snap counts go the rest of the season. You can cut a players snaps without benching him.

**penguinz** · 12-11-2023, 01:29 PM

Kelce's vision and awareness of where everyone is on the field is amazing.

tredadda · 12-11-2023, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen

Well said.

These kinds of mistakes all year long have really got me wondering why the WRs are not really getting much better. I guess Rice is getting better but even he is still having drops and fumbles. I know someone mentioned Embree a few weeks ago and got some flack from some people. But I wonder if there might truly be something to that. I think we need more talented WRs, for sure. But I also wonder if the coaching also needs improved.

At this point, unless something changes, I don't see the Chiefs getting far in the playoffs.

As weird as it might sound, part of me wants them to miss the playoffs. I guess I am not 100% on wanting them to miss it because that means Denver wins the AFCW. But I just don't believe this offense with how it's played all year can hold up their end in the playoffs. Them missing it gives Veach an opportunity to really attack the skill positions this year in what I keep hearing is a deep WR draft. KC doesn't have a ton of picks this year to wheel and deal with, so by drafting higher, he can maximize the picks he does have. This team is currently playing like a team that will be knocked out in WC weekend.

DTHOF · 12-11-2023, 01:32 PM

My only complaint would be the same argument for another famous offside. It didn't affect the outcome of the play.

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IowaHawkeyeChief · 12-11-2023, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tredadda

As weird as it might sound, part of me wants them to miss the playoffs. I guess I am not 100% on wanting them to miss it because that means Denver wins the AFCW. But I just don't believe this offense with how it's played all year can hold up their end in the playoffs. Them missing it gives Veach an opportunity to really attack the skill positions this year in what I keep hearing is a deep WR draft. KC doesn't have a ton of picks this year to wheel and deal with, so by drafting higher, he can maximize the picks he does have. This team is currently playing like a team that will be knocked out in WC weekend.

You can't be serious... ****ing pussy

tredadda · 12-11-2023, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

You can't be serious... ****ing pussy

mabbott · 12-11-2023, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef

Do you see how the first and second pictures are from different angles? How do you think that might affect them?

Do you see how there is a yellow line drawn through the ball that goes through Toney and does not touch Von?

There is a reason I put three pictures. The picture with the "yellow line shows both offsides. The yellow line was drawn by Romo by hand... if you look where the yellow line is it is at the back of the football not the front.

I am not disputing that Tomey was offsides, he absolutely was, I am not saying he checked with the official.. he didn't he barely looked at him. I am saying that they were both offsides and it should have been offsetting; further, if the DPI would have been called on the previous play, it is unlikely we would have been in this scenario.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! · 12-11-2023, 01:47 PM

I think it’s seriously time to move on from Reid

Mephistopheles Janx · 12-11-2023, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

I think it’s seriously time to move on from Reid

Buddy... no.

Megatron96 · 12-11-2023, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

I think it’s seriously time to move on from Reid

Justin Reid? Yes, I agree. He’s being overpaid.

tredadda · 12-11-2023, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

I think it’s seriously time to move on from Reid

Was this a troll job or do you honestly mean this?

**Lzen** · 12-11-2023, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Bruh…. His whole body except his back leg is lined up past the ball

This photo removes all doubt. 19 was blatantly offside. pic.twitter.com/KD0R0Rvguy
— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) December 11, 2023

It was 1st and 10, correct? If you look at the video, the first down marker is at the 39. I think Creed moved the ball back before he got set to snap it. So, the LOS was the 49. I can't say for certain that Toney was not on the 49. Does being on the LOS for the offense make you offsides?

mabbott · 12-11-2023, 02:04 PM

The amount of overreaction is crazy on here recently.

Don't make the playoffs, move on from Reid, bench Tomey... hell we should trade Mahomes while he still has value!!!

FloridaMan88 · 12-11-2023, 02:05 PM

Benching Toney is an “overreaction”?

12-10-2023, 09:46 PM
tredadda Three-Pat Join Date: May 2011 Location: Colorado Springs Casino cash: $-2074947	Offsides reality Looking at the offsides on Toney and the “Let them play” mentality a few things stick out. 1. He was offsides and like it or not, that is inexcusable on his part. Toney should never line up offsides…….ever. That’s a Pee Wee league type of mistake. He didn’t just start playing football this year. Pre snap penalties are the worst because they are completely preventable. He should have never left it up to a ref to decide one way or another, especially with the quality of reffing league wide lately. 2. I get the “Let them play” mindset and not letting a questionable call impact a game. But it can’t be “Let them play” when convenient and when not calls should be made. Look at the SB when KC benefited from a penalty that essentially sealed the game. Had the refs swallowed the whistle like what was wanted today KC might well have lost the SB. We benefited from that penalty. But today we want to yell at the clouds because it was called. Both times the penalty was called, just this time it went against KC. 3. Even after the penalty they still had time to pick up the yards and score a TD and is systemic of how the offense has played for large portions of the year. This team has a championship caliber defense, but the offense is not what we all expect. That might mean an early exit this year. Simply put if the offense hasn’t figured it out by now I question whether they will. It is what it is.
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