Off-season WR possibilities

[Reerun_KC]

Seeing a lot of teams with sub .500 records with WRs that need to get with Mahomes.

Who is available and who would you like to see us pursue to go with Rice and Watson.

[O.city]

Mahomes has a 34 million dollar roster bonus that they can convert and spread out if they want.

Hunt has to write a check for it and it has to be done by a certain date, I don't remember when with teh new contract.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

Based on estimates, with the current cap space and the total cap going up next year, the Bengals have the 6th most money to play with, 68.7M. There are only 2 potential playoff teams that have more. The Colts and Texans and both have a QB on a rookie deal for multiple years to come.

The Chiefs have less than half that. 30.5M and Mahomes hit over the next 2 years is 57 and 60M.

Burrow's hit next year is only 29M. The next 2 years after that, while the cap is still going up, his hits are only 46 and 48M. He doesn't hit 50+ until 2027.

That doesn't take into account Jamarr Chase's $30 million record breaking APY contract he's gonna get this Spring. And I bet you guys try to tag Tee Higgins to keep him for 1 more year. Sure you have $68 million now but at least 1/3 of that is directly going to Chase so it's what you think it is.

5 of the 6 Chiefs highest paid players are gonna look different soon.

Mahomes
Jones-letting him walk
Kelce-retiring soon, probably after next year
Thuney-next year is most likely his last year
MVS-100% gone after this season

Frank Clark is officially off the books after this year too. They will have money from those guys opening up. And sure they're probably gonna give it to Creed, Sneed and Bolton but they'll be long term deals to spread out the hits and be backloaded.

Mahomes contract shouldn't permit them from spending. And I think they will redo his contract in 2026 again to help with his cap hits.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Eleazar

We have Rice, just draft someone who has the possibility of contributing right away, and sign a veteran or two.

All I really want to see is them spend a 1st on a quality WR who isn't an undersized tweener

If you are expecting a draft pick to contribute immediately that's fools gold with WR here.

[Wisconsin_Chief]

Originally Posted by DRM08

But that's exactly what other teams are doing with their QB deals. Push the larger cap hits as far down the road as possible. Lamar's a good example of it. Very large cash flow with pretty low cap hits compared to the cash.

It's absolutely what we need to do if we want to keep this thing rolling.

I couldn't care less if Mahomes retires in 10 years and $100 million in dead money hits the cap. The Saints and Steelers both actually recovered pretty quickly, it's not as big of deal as some make it out to be. When you have a QB like Mahomes, you play for the now, not worry about 10 years from now.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

You can't just pick and choose a different year to pay someone in the upcoming season. The entire contract has to be re-done and all that money eventually comes due.

You gonna pay a 37 year old Mahomes 75M for a couple years?

Why not? That's still prime age for QB's. The salary cap will be much larger in 2032.

Hell, Lamar is supposed to have cap hits north of $70M in 2026 and 2027, but I guess we will see what kind of manipulation Baltimore does to get out of it. They're already dodging the cap from 2023 to 2025 with him. $156M of cash vs. only $98M of cap hits for those 3 seasons.

[Gravedigger]

We gotta do something, can’t just sit on our asses again and hope the draft gifts us a great WR.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

We gotta do something, can’t just sit on our asses again and hope the draft gifts us a great WR.

Your option is probably Calvin Ridley, luckily most teams in the NFL have 1 if not 2 pretty good WRs so we should be able to make that happen.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Jerry Rice!

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by rfaulk34

You can't just pick and choose a different year to pay someone in the upcoming season. The entire contract has to be re-done and all that money eventually comes due.

You gonna pay a 37 year old Mahomes 75M for a couple years?

No, you don't have to restructure the whole deal.

Look at the roster bonus. You just convert that and that money moves over the rest of the contract.

Simple accounting changes.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by RunKC

That doesn't take into account Jamarr Chase's $30 million record breaking APY contract he's gonna get this Spring. And I bet you guys try to tag Tee Higgins to keep him for 1 more year. Sure you have $68 million now but at least 1/3 of that is directly going to Chase so it's what you think it is.

5 of the 6 Chiefs highest paid players are gonna look different soon.

Mahomes
Jones-letting him walk
Kelce-retiring soon, probably after next year
Thuney-next year is most likely his last year
MVS-100% gone after this season

Frank Clark is officially off the books after this year too. They will have money from those guys opening up. And sure they're probably gonna give it to Creed, Sneed and Bolton but they'll be long term deals to spread out the hits and be backloaded.

Mahomes contract shouldn't permit them from spending. And I think they will redo his contract in 2026 again to help with his cap hits.

Yes, the Ja'Marr hit will be big, but not for a couple more years.

As you guys already know, you need to manipulate and strike while the iron is hot, because if you miss, you could end up screwing yourself royally a couple years down the road. Getting that hardware makes all the cap shuffling worth it.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by O.city

Mahomes has a 34 million dollar roster bonus that they can convert and spread out if they want.

Hunt has to write a check for it and it has to be done by a certain date, I don't remember when with teh new contract.

This is what posters like Mahomes Magic need to understand. Veach can't do a damn thing about Mahomes roster bonus because it's not a cap thing.

Clark has to write a check for that restructure to happen. He is the deciding factor here.

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

It's absolutely what we need to do if we want to keep this thing rolling.

I couldn't care less if Mahomes retires in 10 years and $100 million in dead money hits the cap. The Saints and Steelers both actually recovered pretty quickly, it's not as big of deal as some make it out to be. When you have a QB like Mahomes, you play for the now, not worry about 10 years from now.

Saints and Steelers are still in cap hell. You can "recover" every year, it just takes a lot of work and is a hell of a lot harder to maintain a championship quality team without a whizkid in the front office. Even then, all that money has to be paid eventually.

[Hoover]

Originally Posted by Coogs

Unless I am reading Over The Cap wrong, they are in a lot better shape than we are. Burrows only counts 29 million next year. They have 38 players under contract. And 68 million in cap space.

Mahomes counts 57 million against the cap next year. We have 36 players under contract. One of them being Jones. Jones has an 80 dollar cap hit, but a 5.4 million dead money thing going on. And we have 35.8 million in cap space.

I'm not sure we are doing anything massive in 2024. We have way too much invested in 4 or 5 guys, and we really can't get out of much of it for a couple of years.

KC Over The Cap:
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs

Bengals Over The Cap:
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cincinnati-bengals

Jones is a free agent.

He's gone. We are not going to tag him. We are not going to trade him.

Its over for him in KC.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief

It's absolutely what we need to do if we want to keep this thing rolling.

I couldn't care less if Mahomes retires in 10 years and $100 million in dead money hits the cap. The Saints and Steelers both actually recovered pretty quickly, it's not as big of deal as some make it out to be. When you have a QB like Mahomes, you play for the now, not worry about 10 years from now.

Other teams have figured out how to cheat the cap. Jalen Hurts is getting $259M of cash with a cap hit of only $173M across 6 seasons. Somehow Philly is finding a way to cheat the cap by $86M during that time period. He only had 1 year left on his rookie deal, so that's not the primary driver of their cap savings in his contract. Look at these numbers:

2024 is $40M of cash, but only $13.6M cap hit
2025 is $42M of cash, but only $21.8M cap hit
2026 is $51M of cash, but only $31.8M cap hit

[rfaulk34]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Why not? That's still prime age for QB's. The salary cap will be much larger in 2032.

Hell, Lamar is supposed to have cap hits north of $70M in 2026 and 2027, but I guess we will see what kind of manipulation Baltimore does to get out of it. They're already dodging the cap from 2023 to 2025 with him. $156M of cash vs. only $98M of cap hits for those 3 seasons.

QBs skyrocketing salaries is gonna make the next 5-7 years very interesting.