***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Jesus ****, two pages of arguing about alcohol?

Lots of brilliance here on Chiefs planet, brought to you by 88.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

And what exactly is the "end of the plan?"

The $2-6 Trillion question.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Do you have a link stating that when the shutdowns were announced? All I heard about was flattening curves and lowering peaks for the heath care facilitys

Bill Gates talked about it in his TED interview a month ago.

[Demonpenz]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Saint Joe. 26 cases with 2 hospitalized in over a month. Population about 70k.

I am going to have to say that if you work in kc and stay at a kc hospital they don't count it here since I have a aunt with it.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by DaFace

The biggest challenge we have is that we completely ****ed up containing this thing in the first place. Taiwan has removed many of their restrictions, but they were doing proactive testing and contact tracing back when they had essentially zero cases. When those systems are in place, it's easier to open things up because you are able to identify new problem areas and quickly snuff them out.

The goal is to get the numbers of new cases down to a very low level, which seems difficult, but is achievable. Once we do that, you can start relaxing things strategically. We won't have large gatherings for a while, but low-risk activities can be opened back up. If things get out of hand, you contract back.

So in short, yes, things will open up a bit, so no, the full restrictions won't go on indefinitely. However, it will likely be a dance between loosening restrictions, seeing cases climb, tightening restrictions, etc. until a vaccine is widely in place.

In an effort to oversimplfy things, here's my understanding of the various options. The numbers and timing are completely made up, so don't take this as any sort of prediction. It's just to give you the gist of how these things work.




The reality is that the "no intervention" version would probably be bigger and more prolonged, and the "waves" in the current plan won't happen nearly that quickly. Hopefully it helps to at least frame the concept, though.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by DaFace

In an effort to oversimplfy things, here's my understanding of the various options. The numbers and timing are completely made up, so don't take this as any sort of prediction. It's just to give you the gist of how these things work.




The reality is that the "no intervention" version would probably be bigger and more prolonged, and the "waves" in the current plan won't happen nearly that quickly. Hopefully it helps to at least frame the concept, though.

Beautiful.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Man, some of the soap boxes people choose to stand on...yeesh.

Saw this image on FB earlier and thought of this thread...

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Saw this image on FB earlier and thought of this thread...

Nailed it!

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

I am going to have to say that if you work in kc and stay at a kc hospital they don't count it here since I have a aunt with it.

Not sure how that works.

[stevieray]

if you think you're going to shut this country down into 21, it's already over and you're wasting your time even talking about this.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Saw this image on FB earlier and thought of this thread...

CP: You're both putting yourself at risk drinking that wine

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

CP: You're both putting yourself at risk drinking that wine

and only three feet apart!

no masks!

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by stevieray

if you think you're going to shut this country down into 21, it's already over and you're wasting your time even talking about this.

Unprecedented times my man.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by stevieray

if you think you're going to shut this country down into 21, it's already over and you're wasting your time even talking about this.

"Shut this country down" can have thousands of different meanings. Will there be some restrictions into 2021? Barring a vaccine or treatment miracle, the answer is 100% yes, so now's the time to start accepting that.

Will things be as restricted as they are now? Almost certainly not.

It's not a black and white issue, so the questions are all about WHAT restrictions there will be, not whether there will be any.

[Demonpenz]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Not sure how that works.

point is still valid though. If there was an outbreak like 200 or so. Push it back but it's not taking over the city and it has been a couple weeks. The only thing I can say on the other side is st joe is like mossimo. We got those t-shirts eleven years after they were cool.