***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by loochy

LOL

It's more like "Let me interrupt your Dunning-Kreugerness with my own Dunning-Kreugerness."


After all, only I am smart. Nobody else is smart.

While looking down at you from Mount Stupid.

[Titty Meat]

This thread has gone to complete shit. In between the back and forth I saw Busbys post about college football and I think for the first time since this all started I'm sad as ****

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by DaFace

"Shut this country down" can have thousands of different meanings. Will there be some restrictions into 2021? Barring a vaccine or treatment miracle, the answer is 100% yes, so now's the time to start accepting that.

The country can't sustain with the current level of restrictions into next year. Not even close to feasible.

Municipalities will go broke.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

They don't report the deaths as they happen. Sorry to burst your smart ass bubble.

The point is, it's impossible to say that cases have gone down as of noon.

[Demonpenz]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

With regards to KCMO (and I guess STL too) extending the shelter in place order to May 15 I ask this (rhetorical) question:

What is going to happen between April 16 and May 15 that will not necessitate a further extension of a shelter in place dictate?

By then hopefully we will flatten the curve

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I think his PC today will be to show a plan to reopen but maybe extend the closings for a few more weeks. KC and ST Louis peaks are still a 2-3 weeks away.

I don't understand how this is possible when these places have already been locked down for a month? Are we just seeing a more gradual climb to the peak as opposed to other areas in the country?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

The point is, it's impossible to say that cases have gone down as of noon.

The cases have gone down compared to their last 2 days of reporting. This is the ****ing problem with some of you. NY reports once a day on new deaths. Got it? The deaths reported today are less than the reports they posted yesterday and the day before that and the day before that even. Try actually reading what I ****ing said. You know, where I said it appears they are reporting the deaths from yesterday. Meaning the report you get today is what happened yesterday.

You want to find a reason to pick apart or otherwise piss on everything that gets reported because it doesn't fit your view then have it it. But your point is ir-****ing-relevant vis-a-vis the way NY has been reporting.

The point is you didn't ****ing read a damn thing I said.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

They don't know. They keep saying they need to see x, y & z before they want to lift it. But we put this in place because of a,b, & c which largely did not pan out as they thought it would. Not blaming the initial lock down but it's like they insist on waiting for something that very well might not happen.

They can open up all the want but society is not truly going to 'open up,' until people feel it is safe to go out again. That probably won't happen until wide-scale testing is available or the vaccine comes out.

I mean social distancing measures will ease very soon but it's going to be very different America then what we are used to. At least it will be better than this.

[limested]

Originally Posted by petegz28

They don't report the deaths as they happen. Sorry to burst your smart ass bubble.

You are the dumbass that makes definitive statements for the day before reporting is complete.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Not really. I believe as the days roll on we arent seeing even close to the fatality numbers that were projected. The masses will begin to realize this isnt worth shutting down a 22 trillion dollar economy and folks will demand to go back to work. Governors are already being challenged by LEOs as to the constitutionality of many of the restrictions in place (Michigan for example)

Folks will still die from the virus but not in the masses projected and not enough to make it worth losing jobs, livelihoods and liberties.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by SupDock

The point is, it's impossible to say that cases have gone down as of noon.

I think that NY runs on a 24 hour period which ends around noon EDT.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by limested

You are the dumbass that makes definitive statements for the day before reporting is complete.

No, ****head. I am the one giving you the numbers worldometers reports from the state of NY. You're the dumb **** that doesn't understand how the reporting has been going with NY for the last week. Otherwise you wouldn't say such stupid shit.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

They can open up all the want but society is not truly going to 'open up,' until people feel it is safe to go out again. That probably won't happen until wide-scale testing is available or the vaccine comes out.

I mean social distancing measures will ease very soon but it's going to be very different America then what we are used to. At least it will be better than this.

Some will, some may not. As a business owner I get a shit ton of people asking when we will be open again.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by stevieray

The country can't sustain with the current level of restrictions into next year. Not even close to feasible.

Municipalities will go broke.

And bursting the "fairy tale" bubble is the voice of reason.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Donger

I think that NY runs on a 24 hour period which ends around noon EDT.

^

Thank you, Donger.