***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SupDock

The point is, it's impossible to say that cases have gone down as of noon.

Originally Posted by SupDock

I was an ass?

Yes. You didn't read what I posted, came out with this snarky shit then got pssy because I admittedly laid into you perhaps a bit more than I should have.

But yes, you were being an ass.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

big corporations or people with access to pay attorneys to tell them the loopholes got the vast majority of that money. That was not the intent. Until they can figure out the language so that the money goes to your local neighborhood bar, restaurant what’s the point? That’s who the American public wants to get help.

They have no intention of closing the loopholes - they were specifically created due to lobbyist pressure.

I mean, the parent company of Ruths Chris Steakhouses gets $20M?

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

They have no intention of closing the loopholes - they were specifically created due to lobbyist pressure.

I mean, the parent company of Ruths Chris Steakhouses gets $20M?

On a ppp?


Well 10m per company under its heading.


Not sure why brc is surprised. I tried to tell him what a small business was when this all started and he disagreed...

[SAUTO]

I wouldn’t ever call 500 employees a small business but that’s just me

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yes. You didn't read what I posted, came out with this snarky shit then got pssy because I admittedly laid into you perhaps a bit more than I should have.

But yes, you were being an ass.

I just didn't agree with you, sorry if you feel like the victim here. Let's just move on.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

My best friend's son works at a local grocery chain, and he's floored by how few people come into the store without a mask on, how many people are touching things and putting them back on shelves, and how some continue to ignore the distancing guidelines.

TLDR? There are still a TON of idiots going about their business that think this is all overblown.

I sure am happy that it's different here in LA. Everyone I've seen has been wearing a mask in public and most have been wearing gloves.

The checkers and sackers at the grocery stores have been wearing both for weeks and there are large plexiglass shields protecting checkers. I stood in line outside of Home Depot several times in the past few weeks due to a plumbing issue and everyone had on masks, even while standing in the rain.

Maybe that's why California's numbers are so low...

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

I wouldn’t ever call 500 employees a small business but that’s just me

I tend to think of "Small Business" as being 1-10 employees, although 1-50 also qualifies.

But 500? Geez, no.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

On a ppp?


Well 10m per company under its heading.


Not sure why brc is surprised. I tried to tell him what a small business was when this all started and he disagreed...

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coro...6ci-story.html

[limested]

Originally Posted by petegz28

For new deaths?

Edit: ah, they did go back and update yesterday's numbers. Interesting.

You can apologize now.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I tend to think of "Small Business" as being 1-10 employees, although 1-50 also qualifies.

But 500? Geez, no.

Yep. Could even be up to 1500 in some instances.


Totally ridiculous IMO

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coro...6ci-story.html

That’s just silly IMO

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Yep. Could even be up to 1500 in some instances.


Totally ridiculous IMO

Exactly. I feel for all of those people that are truly in need.

[PAChiefsGuy]

New York coronavirus: Gov. Andrew Cuomo extends stay-at-home order until at least May 15

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ne...E7A?li=BBnb7Kz

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by limested

You can apologize now.

Yeah, I could.....just sit there and wait for it

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

They have no intention of closing the loopholes - they were specifically created due to lobbyist pressure.

I mean, the parent company of Ruths Chris Steakhouses gets $20M?

there is tons of those cases just like that. Chains with multiple locations in cities and more locations in different states.

They create smaller sub companies and asked for the money for them. Etc. etc.

As far as I know there wasn’t fraud, just corporations and lawyers gaming the system. Can’t they get some of those lawyers to put language in there so it ensures that the money goes to the local restaurant and bars?