***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by TLO

Something I don't really understand.. Our mayor here in St Joe has said "the surge is coming". Why exactly is the surge coming? We've had 26 confirmed cases and we've been locked down for roughly a month. Yes there are still a lot of people out and about, as there have been throughout the entire "stay at home" order. There's been no significant increase.

Why is the surge still coming?

I'm expecting KCMO to report over 750 cases a week from today.

Because math.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Back to DC with you.

There's one. One more for the push.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

There's a happy median...

It was important to treat the virus differently at first for a few reasons. We weren't sure who it effected, how it was best treated and what the true case fatality rate/Infection fatality rate was going to be as this ran its course. We thought it may be as high as 4%. That was scary and should have been. However, since then we know who it effects, we know better how to treat it and we are getting better at that every day, and the projected case fatality rate is falling drastically by the earlier posted models. When this started, if you were younger and healthy, it wasn't sure what the risk were, but it was projected that 4 out of every 100 infected would die. The new models suggest that if you are younger and healthy your risk will be 1 out of every 1500, actually less than the annual flu. The next few weeks will tell if those models are correct, if they are, along with advancements on testing and treatment, hopefully we will be open sooner rather than later.

I was trying to make the point that comparing something let's say cancer doesn't help minimalize it like some are trying to do.

As for the overall flu comparison there is more than just CFR to worry about , hospitalization rates, vaccine, long term health concerns. Surviving a 2 weeks long stay in hospital , vents, meds, other risks is still not enjoyable.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by Donger

Still? I never was.

Oh. Sorry.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by wazu

Glad to hear he agrees that losing his ability to make a living is acceptable collateral damage.

Nobody is glad but in their minds like my wife's they find it appropriate given what they know about the disease. Meaning my wife is still more concerned about the health of her patients, family and friends right now than the hundreds of thousands we have lost.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

There's one. One more for the push.

I thought of you when I made the original post, my gambling guru friend.

[Three7s]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Damn dude, hopefully whatever it was is gone and it's run its course.

Yeah, you and I both!

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Sounds like a sinuses I had a few weeks ago, took Sudafed and it took care of itself, be careful and if you can't smell or taste, get help...

Yeah, I've been trying to think of every single possibility of what this could be in order to rule out COVID19. It's definitely possible that it's not, but if this is the end of it, then it's impossible to really know. I was so mad I didn't have any sinus meds on me. I was dying for some!

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Can ask what state or City you live in?

And Gods speed brother.

I live in Independece, MO, which is in the county that has the second most COVID19 infections in the state behind St Louis. Much thanks!

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by Bwana

I thought of you when I made the original post, my gambling guru friend.

I knew when I saw that guy make an appearance he wouldn't last long.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Three7s

Yeah, you and I both!



Yeah, I've been trying to think of every single possibility of what this could be in order to rule out COVID19. It's definitely possible that it's not, but if this is the end of it, then it's impossible to really know. I was so mad I didn't have any sinus meds on me. I was dying for some!



I live in Independece, MO, which is in the county that has the second most COVID19 infections in the state behind St Louis. Much thanks!

I also live in Independence.....so I feel your pain son.

[Ghost of Maslowski]

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Well I just ran one off so.......

With that said, how are you feeling?

Thanks for asking, man. It's been a weird week. My body overall is basically back to 100%

My lungs however, have remained pretty ****ed until today. Was still getting really winded and short of breath doing basic tasks like showering, walking to mailbox, etc. It was a struggle to even hold a conversation for more than a minute or two. Felt like my lungs were already like 80% full and couldn't take anymore air.

Doc started me on some breathing exercises, a new steroid pack and albuterol inhaler mid-week and today's been a huge difference. My lungs still feel "full" but not like before. Able to do more without getting as winded, so that's good.

[petegz28]

so looks like NY is 636 today and still at 606 for yesterday. So they appear to be back to once a day updates for new deaths.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

The socioeconomic excuse for eating a poor diet and not taking care of yourself is almost as much of a crutch as the "genetics" excuse.

Wait - so you don't believe in genetics?

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

I knew when I saw that guy make an appearance he wouldn't last long.

Yeah, what you said. We don't have many rules around here, but keeping politics out of this thread and or being housebroken are two of them.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

347 people under 45 dead in one city in six weeks.