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Mecca · 02-11-2009, 05:35 AM

Who knew Mike Mayock was a true fan...

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1028585.html

Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Hundreds of players are available in this year’s NFL draft, but the Chiefs will have to investigate only a fraction of them when it comes to their first pick.

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said only about 10 players are worthy of the Chiefs’ consideration with their top pick, which is third overall.

“There’s probably a total of 10 guys they’ll have to look at and evaluate and then say, ‘OK, here’s our list one, two and three,’ ” Mayock said. “They know they’re getting one of those guys.”

Mayock’s list is heavy on offensive players, which is unfortunate for a team that needs plenty of help on its defensive front seven. It includes quarterbacks Matt Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of Southern California, wide receivers Michael Crabtree of Texas Tech and Jeremy Maclin of Missouri, running backs Knowshon Moreno of Georgia and Chris Wells of Ohio State and offensive tackles Eugene Monroe of Virginia and Jason Smith of Baylor.

The only defensive players are Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry and Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo.

While the Chiefs are closer to being competitive on offense than defense, they have few positions where they couldn’t use some help. Perhaps the only one is cornerback, where rookies Brandon Carr and Brandon Flowers moved into the lineup last season and looked like part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

Picking third, their highest position since taking Neil Smith with the second pick in 1988, would allow the Chiefs a chance at a long-elusive franchise quarterback. Stafford will likely be selected by Detroit with the first pick, but Sanchez could well be available to the Chiefs.

“The potential franchise quarterback is the most important position on your team,” Mayock said. “If I’m building a franchise, the first thing I’m going to do is (investigate) the quarterback position. This year, the guys you better evaluate are Stafford and Sanchez. I’m not trying to tell you they should take them at (No.) 3. I’m saying they had better understand what they are.

“I wish Sanchez went back (to USC) for another year. He needed another year. He’s a kid that only started 16 games, but he’s got the ability and the toughness and the arm strength and can learn the pro game and be a starter.”

Moreno and Wells are the best of the running backs, and the Chiefs could be in the market for a featured back if they dispose of Larry Johnson, who is unhappy in Kansas City and wants out.

The Chiefs drafted Branden Albert in the first round last year, and he looks like their left tackle for several seasons. That’s why the Chiefs probably wouldn’t seriously consider Monroe or Smith, but it’s not impossible because they could use an upgrade on the right side of their line.

With so many other needs, wide receiver probably won’t be a priority. But faced with the opportunity of grabbing a playmaker like Crabtree or Maclin, could the Chiefs turn it down?

Of all the players on Mayock’s list, Curry might make the most sense for the Chiefs. They didn’t get any reliable play from their linebackers last season and lacked a playmaker after trading Jared Allen.

“I’m a big believer that Aaron Curry might be the safest pick in the entire draft,” Mayock said. “I hate to say that, but when you’re sitting at (No.) 3, the thing you can’t afford to do is make a mistake. Worst-case scenario: He’s got to be a good football player. Aaron Curry is that kind of guy.

“He played (strong side) linebacker in college. He dominated the tight end. But I could very easily see him converting to a 3-4 outside linebacker because he can rush the passer well, he drops in coverage well. He’s a fifth-year kid. He’s mature. I just think he’s the safest guy out there.”

Boy that's how I'd wanna make my picks based on the fear of a bust so I reach for a devalued position brilliant!

beach tribe · 02-11-2009, 02:36 PM

I'm still not convinced that Cassel is SHIT.

It seems like more times than not, when the QB of a GREAT team goes down, the team continues to be competitive.

Frank Riech, Bills. Jeff Hostetler Giants. Doug Williams, Redskins. and now Matt Cassel, NE.

I see a similar fate for Mr. Cassel to the ones those guys had. Cassell?

Frosty · 02-11-2009, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I'm still not convinced that Cassel is SHIT.

It seems like more times than not, when the QB of a GREAT team goes down, the team continues to be competitive.

Frank Riech, Bills. Jeff Hostetler Giants. Doug Williams, Redskins. and now Matt Cassel, NE.

I see a similar fate for Mr. Cassel to the ones those guys had. Cassell?

You forgot Scott Mitchell, Dolphins.

Frankie · 02-11-2009, 02:54 PM

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1028585.html
Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Of all the players on Mayock’s list, Curry might make the most sense for the Chiefs. They didn’t get any reliable play from their linebackers last season and lacked a playmaker after trading Jared Allen.

“I’m a big believer that Aaron Curry might be the safest pick in the entire draft,” Mayock said. “I hate to say that, but when you’re sitting at (No.) 3, the thing you can’t afford to do is make a mistake. Worst-case scenario: He’s got to be a good football player. Aaron Curry is that kind of guy.

“He played (strong side) linebacker in college. He dominated the tight end. But I could very easily see him converting to a 3-4 outside linebacker because he can rush the passer well, he drops in coverage well. He’s a fifth-year kid. He’s mature. I just think he’s the safest guy out there.”

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1028419.html
NFL draft guru picks linebacker for Chiefs
By RANDY COVITZ
The Kansas City Star

Mayock told me on a teleconference Tuesday that he’s projecting Detroit taking Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford with the first overall pick and St. Louis selecting Baylor offensive tackle Jason Smith with the second choice.

Curry, the Butkus Award winner, would give the Chiefs a much-needed playmaker at outside linebacker, though not necessarily a pass rusher. Curry had 9 1/2 sacks in his four-year career, including 2 1/2 as a senior, but he had six career interceptions, returning all four of his picks for touchdowns in 2007.

WELL WHICH IS IT? IS CURRY A PASS RUSHER OR NOT?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-11-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1028585.html
Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Of all the players on Mayock’s list, Curry might make the most sense for the Chiefs. They didn’t get any reliable play from their linebackers last season and lacked a playmaker after trading Jared Allen.

“I’m a big believer that Aaron Curry might be the safest pick in the entire draft,” Mayock said. “I hate to say that, but when you’re sitting at (No.) 3, the thing you can’t afford to do is make a mistake. Worst-case scenario: He’s got to be a good football player. Aaron Curry is that kind of guy.

“He played (strong side) linebacker in college. He dominated the tight end. But I could very easily see him converting to a 3-4 outside linebacker because he can rush the passer well, he drops in coverage well. He’s a fifth-year kid. He’s mature. I just think he’s the safest guy out there.”

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1028419.html
NFL draft guru picks linebacker for Chiefs
By RANDY COVITZ
The Kansas City Star

Mayock told me on a teleconference Tuesday that he’s projecting Detroit taking Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford with the first overall pick and St. Louis selecting Baylor offensive tackle Jason Smith with the second choice.

Curry, the Butkus Award winner, would give the Chiefs a much-needed playmaker at outside linebacker, though not necessarily a pass rusher. Curry had 9 1/2 sacks in his four-year career, including 2 1/2 as a senior, but he had six career interceptions, returning all four of his picks for touchdowns in 2007.

WELL WHICH IS IT? IS CURRY A PASS RUSHER OR NOT?

This might be your best post ever, Frankie.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-11-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

This might be your best post ever, Frankie.

Yep, excellent work.

ChiefsCountry · 02-11-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

I'm still not convinced that Cassel is SHIT.

It seems like more times than not, when the QB of a GREAT team goes down, the team continues to be competitive.

Frank Riech, Bills. Jeff Hostetler Giants. Doug Williams, Redskins. and now Matt Cassel, NE.

I see a similar fate for Mr. Cassel to the ones those guys had. Cassell?

Old school Chiefs - Mike Livingston.

milkman · 02-11-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Old school Chiefs - Mike Livingston.

Let's not forget Jeff Kemp, Steve Bono and Elvis GrBac of the 9ers.

RedThat · 02-11-2009, 04:17 PM

gotta really look at this from a whole broad perspective. i see to many minds out there fixated towards this whole "franchise qb" thing. Just keep in mind, like Pioli said, teams win championships.

i know a lot of fans here want the "quarterback", but you also have to remember it ain't just the "quarterback", it's about the whole team in general. Lets be real here, this team was gawd awful last season not just at 1 specific position but throughout various positions of the team. It showed clearly. We have many needs positions wise as far as im concerned and anyway or player that Pioli and crew can bring in here to contribute to make this football team better we should be grateful for that alone.

The best bet is to go with position of need along with bpa. I think Pioli is gonna try to trade down if he can to try and accumulate as many picks as he can. This is about drafting well overall and not just about who you're gonna take at #3.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-11-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

gotta really look at this from a whole broad perspective. i see to many minds out there fixated towards this whole "franchise qb" thing. Just keep in mind, like Pioli said, teams win championships.

i know a lot of fans here want the "quarterback", but you also have to remember it ain't just the "quarterback", it's about the whole team in general. Lets be real here, this team was gawd awful last season not just at 1 specific position but throughout various positions of the team. It showed clearly. We have many needs positions wise as far as im concerned and anyway or player that Pioli and crew can bring in here to contribute to make this football team better we should be grateful for that alone.

The best bet is to go with position of need along with bpa. I think Pioli is gonna try to trade down if he can to try and accumulate as many picks as he can. This is about drafting well overall and not just about who you're gonna take at #3.

We're not drafting to make a play off run in 2009. We'll be drafting more defensive players in next years draft.
And Ooga-Booga willing, we make a legit run in 2011.

Get it in to your system; that's how we're rollin'.

RedThat · 02-11-2009, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

We're not drafting to make a play off run in 2009. We'll be drafting more defensive players in next years draft.
And Ooga-Booga willing, we make a legit run in 2011.

Get it in to your system; that's how we're rollin'.

One thing I love about the NFL, parody.

In this league that works either for you or against you.

There is no telling what could happen? We could be a REALLY improved team next year. Or, we could stay status quo the same, or, we could improve slowly.

I would've never thought the Dolphins would go from 1-15 one year to 11-5 the following year.

i just want improvement regardless. Im looking at this draft in that way. Eventually I want to see the Chiefs win a bowl someday in my lifetime. What I do believe now, and it has me thoroughly convinced is that a team could be turned around in 1 year very rapidly and make the playoffs. Miami gave me some sort of belief in that regard.

And I also believe regardless what people or the so called experts/gurus say that there isn't any real good defensive players in this draft? I say that could be all just a crap shoot. You just never know? I find a lot of times that a lot of people and experts comments are primarily directed towards the top prospects in the country. Thats where a majority of the focus and attention is. Sure, thats why its easy to say this draft is weak for defense.

But I believe its who you "FIND" in the later rounds whether it's defense or offense. And that's what i would love to see.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-11-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

One thing I love about the NFL, parody.

In this league that works either for you or against you.

There is no telling what could happen? We could be a REALLY improved team next year. Or, we could stay status quo the same, or, we could improve slowly.

I would've never thought the Dolphins would go from 1-15 one year to 11-5 the following year.

i just want improvement regardless. Im looking at this draft in that way. Eventually I want to see the Chiefs win a bowl someday in my lifetime. What I do believe now, and it has me thoroughly convinced is that a team could be turned around in 1 year very rapidly and make the playoffs. Miami gave me some sort of belief in that regard.

And I also believe regardless what people or the so called experts/gurus say that there isn't any real good defensive players in this draft? I say that could be all just a crap shoot. You just never know? I find a lot of times that a lot of people and experts comments are primarily directed towards the top prospects in the country. Thats where a majority of the focus and attention is. Sure, thats why its easy to say this draft is weak for defense.

But I believe its who you "FIND" in the later rounds whether it's defense or offense. And that's what i would love to see.

Well, first off, the "parody" left the building with Herm and Carl.

If we had a few more vets we could probably do a Miami turnaround in 09', but we're really starting from scratch for the very most part.

RedThat · 02-11-2009, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

Well, first off, the "parody" left the building with Herm and Carl.

If we had a few more vets we could probably do a Miami turnaround in 09', but we're really starting from scratch for the very most part.

Well, I hope parody entered the building with pioli and haley.

Heres hoping to a good season.

orange · 02-11-2009, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBull

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth CarlSatan

We're not drafting to make a play off run in 2009. We'll be drafting more defensive players in next years draft.
And Ooga-Booga willing, we make a legit run in 2011.

Get it in to your system; that's how we're rollin'.

One thing I love about the NFL, parody.

That's more funny - and true - than you know.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-11-2009, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedBull

Well, I hope parody entered the building with pioli and haley.

Heres hoping to a good season.

I hope parity entered the building, or it'll just be more of the same old song and dance!

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-11-2009, 05:08 PM

If I have the choice between a fast turnaround like Miami, who has no structure in place to maintain that W/L record and progressively go deeper in the playoffs, or be a team that is built specifically to win a championship, then continue to compete for a championship, I'll take the latter.

02-11-2009, 05:35 AM
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	Teicher:Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates Who knew Mike Mayock was a true fan... http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1028585.html Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Hundreds of players are available in this year’s NFL draft, but the Chiefs will have to investigate only a fraction of them when it comes to their first pick. NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said only about 10 players are worthy of the Chiefs’ consideration with their top pick, which is third overall. “There’s probably a total of 10 guys they’ll have to look at and evaluate and then say, ‘OK, here’s our list one, two and three,’ ” Mayock said. “They know they’re getting one of those guys.” Mayock’s list is heavy on offensive players, which is unfortunate for a team that needs plenty of help on its defensive front seven. It includes quarterbacks Matt Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of Southern California, wide receivers Michael Crabtree of Texas Tech and Jeremy Maclin of Missouri, running backs Knowshon Moreno of Georgia and Chris Wells of Ohio State and offensive tackles Eugene Monroe of Virginia and Jason Smith of Baylor. The only defensive players are Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry and Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo. While the Chiefs are closer to being competitive on offense than defense, they have few positions where they couldn’t use some help. Perhaps the only one is cornerback, where rookies Brandon Carr and Brandon Flowers moved into the lineup last season and looked like part of the solution instead of part of the problem. Picking third, their highest position since taking Neil Smith with the second pick in 1988, would allow the Chiefs a chance at a long-elusive franchise quarterback. Stafford will likely be selected by Detroit with the first pick, but Sanchez could well be available to the Chiefs. “The potential franchise quarterback is the most important position on your team,” Mayock said. “If I’m building a franchise, the first thing I’m going to do is (investigate) the quarterback position. This year, the guys you better evaluate are Stafford and Sanchez. I’m not trying to tell you they should take them at (No.) 3. I’m saying they had better understand what they are. “I wish Sanchez went back (to USC) for another year. He needed another year. He’s a kid that only started 16 games, but he’s got the ability and the toughness and the arm strength and can learn the pro game and be a starter.” Moreno and Wells are the best of the running backs, and the Chiefs could be in the market for a featured back if they dispose of Larry Johnson, who is unhappy in Kansas City and wants out. The Chiefs drafted Branden Albert in the first round last year, and he looks like their left tackle for several seasons. That’s why the Chiefs probably wouldn’t seriously consider Monroe or Smith, but it’s not impossible because they could use an upgrade on the right side of their line. With so many other needs, wide receiver probably won’t be a priority. But faced with the opportunity of grabbing a playmaker like Crabtree or Maclin, could the Chiefs turn it down? Of all the players on Mayock’s list, Curry might make the most sense for the Chiefs. They didn’t get any reliable play from their linebackers last season and lacked a playmaker after trading Jared Allen. “I’m a big believer that Aaron Curry might be the safest pick in the entire draft,” Mayock said. “I hate to say that, but when you’re sitting at (No.) 3, the thing you can’t afford to do is make a mistake. Worst-case scenario: He’s got to be a good football player. Aaron Curry is that kind of guy. “He played (strong side) linebacker in college. He dominated the tight end. But I could very easily see him converting to a 3-4 outside linebacker because he can rush the passer well, he drops in coverage well. He’s a fifth-year kid. He’s mature. I just think he’s the safest guy out there.” Boy that's how I'd wanna make my picks based on the fear of a bust so I reach for a devalued position brilliant!
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Frankie Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1028585.html Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Of all the players on Mayock’s list, Curry might make the most sense for the Chiefs. They didn’t get any reliable play from their linebackers last season and lacked a playmaker after trading Jared Allen. “I’m a big believer that Aaron Curry might be the safest pick in the entire draft,” Mayock said. “I hate to say that, but when you’re sitting at (No.) 3, the thing you can’t afford to do is make a mistake. Worst-case scenario: He’s got to be a good football player. Aaron Curry is that kind of guy. “He played (strong side) linebacker in college. He dominated the tight end. But I could very easily see him converting to a 3-4 outside linebacker because he can rush the passer well, he drops in coverage well. He’s a fifth-year kid. He’s mature. I just think he’s the safest guy out there.” http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1028419.html NFL draft guru picks linebacker for Chiefs By RANDY COVITZ The Kansas City Star Mayock told me on a teleconference Tuesday that he’s projecting Detroit taking Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford with the first overall pick and St. Louis selecting Baylor offensive tackle Jason Smith with the second choice. Curry, the Butkus Award winner, would give the Chiefs a much-needed playmaker at outside linebacker, though not necessarily a pass rusher. Curry had 9 1/2 sacks in his four-year career, including 2 1/2 as a senior, but he had six career interceptions, returning all four of his picks for touchdowns in 2007. WELL WHICH IS IT? IS CURRY A PASS RUSHER OR NOT?
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RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	gotta really look at this from a whole broad perspective. i see to many minds out there fixated towards this whole "franchise qb" thing. Just keep in mind, like Pioli said, teams win championships. i know a lot of fans here want the "quarterback", but you also have to remember it ain't just the "quarterback", it's about the whole team in general. Lets be real here, this team was gawd awful last season not just at 1 specific position but throughout various positions of the team. It showed clearly. We have many needs positions wise as far as im concerned and anyway or player that Pioli and crew can bring in here to contribute to make this football team better we should be grateful for that alone. The best bet is to go with position of need along with bpa. I think Pioli is gonna try to trade down if he can to try and accumulate as many picks as he can. This is about drafting well overall and not just about who you're gonna take at #3.
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OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2051115	If I have the choice between a fast turnaround like Miami, who has no structure in place to maintain that W/L record and progressively go deeper in the playoffs, or be a team that is built specifically to win a championship, then continue to compete for a championship, I'll take the latter.
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