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Old 10-05-2009, 01:50 PM  
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At the Quarter Mark: Better or Worse?
After the Haley hire, you couldn't throw a stick through this place without hitting someone that made the following comment:

"We'll be a better team based on coaching alone," or, "we'll win X amount of games due to coaching alone."

Yes, it's only been 4 games, and this is NOT a call for Haley's head - but is deserved criticism of the way he's prepared this team over the first 4 games of the regular season.

Also, IN NO WAY is the following an endorsement of Herman Edwards. What it is, however, is a giant red flag - this team - of which 60% has been handpicked by Pioli and Haley - is actually worse in almost all statistical categories when compared to the 2008 team after 4 games - which many here claimed were the darkest days of last season. We'll call it, B.S. - or, Before Spread.

Offensively (bolded number is 2009 totals):

1st downs: (63) (62)

3rd down conversions: (25/62 - 40%) (9/51 - 18%)

Total yards: (1145) (986)

Rushing yards: (554) (406)

Passing yards: (591) (580)

Sacks Allowed: (12) (13)

Penalties/Yardage: (10/109) 29/230

Scoring: (16.25 PPG) (16 PPG)


Not a single category in which we've improved over 2008, which happened to include going through 3 QB's - playing the 3rd stringer in 2 of the 4.


Defensively:

1st downs allowed: (74) (85)

3rd down conversions against: (25/54 - 46%) (25/58 - 43%)

Total yards allowed: (1517) (1516)

Rushing yards allowed: (706) (514)

Passing yards allowed: (811) (1002)

Sacks: (3) (5)

Points allowed: (24.25 PPG) (28 PPG)

Turnover margin: (+2) (Even)

Yea! 2 more sacks! And nice to see the 192 yard improvement from the rush defense, only to see 191 of it be given back up by the pass defense.


The 2008 team was apparently so bad that management felt the need to purge 30 players, yet is playing worse with a roster that is 60% their handpicked players?

What message are you trying to send, Todd? It seems like it changes on a weekly ****ing basis.

As someone who predicted a 3 win season, the losses aren't surprising me.

The way we are losing, after hearing the phrase, "we're going to be a big, strong, fast, smart, tough, disciplined football team" IS surprising me.

There is no improvement over the "Dark Ages" of last season in ANY of those areas. And there's no excuse for it, especially the lack of discipline. Make 'em run some more, Todd - it seems to be working...

Enough excuses - enough with the "messages" - enough petty bullshit sitting players - time to see some ****ing improvement. Not necessarily wins.

IMPROVEMENT.
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:04 PM   #211
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Carl, then DV, then...................Herm.

The only talent on the team comes from the Herm years. DV and Carl's blind loyalty and indiscretion to Grandpa are the elements that really ****ed this franchise.
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Agreed, but the so called talent that came form the Herm years is pretty bleak....
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:08 PM   #212
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What? Are you telling me that those guys aren't average football players?


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so cottam is an avg nfl player? pollard? turk hali? i dont buy it
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:08 PM   #213
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dane if herms drafts were so great how could we have the least talented roster in the league?
We've had the least talented roster for a lot longer than most people realized. It was masked by several factors. Petersen became an absolute genius on how to have a borderline horrible team and still keep people entertained just enough not to jump. And that went on for a long time. He ignored the draft and placated fans with mediocrity. He satisfied fans with Tony G, and neglected the WR position. He sold fans on the TE being the leading receiver for years. Which is a travesty. He loaded up the offense for a while, and neglected the defense. But we still won just enough and threw enough TDs that fans held hope. Even though he let our defense get so bad we couldn't do a damn thing with the powerful offense. Realistically we didn't have a legit chance. But he kept the team borderline enough to drag fans along, while the roster got older and older and those long contracts were all getting bigger and bigger. It was safer to overpay old guys that they knew then taking chances on draft guys or inexperienced players. Those contracts built up and the roster got older and the backups got worse. He didn't bother trying to draft a QB, because it was much safer to go with has-beens for modest contracts. And the plan worked. The front office got stale and nobody pushed for significant change because nobody wanted to rock the boat.

Herm stepped in and at least made an effort to change the ways of the franchise. We needed to put more focus on the draft and create competition and he planned to emphasize that. He saw the need for the team to get younger. He ended up being a really crappy game day coach.

That's how I think we landed the worst talented roster in the league.
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:08 PM   #214
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Agreed, but the so called talent that came form the Herm years is pretty bleak....
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:13 PM   #215
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Agreed, but the so called talent that came form the Herm years is pretty bleak....
While true the switching of defensive schemes made those guys either more incompetent or completely useless.
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:15 PM   #216
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While true the switching of defensive schemes made those guys either more incompetent or completely useless.
so mecca what do you think of the guys dane named as building blocks of the franchise?
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While true the switching of defensive schemes made those guys either more incompetent or completely useless.

Agreed, and if your going to switch to a 3-4, get a 3-4 coach like mike nolan...

not some douche nuckle....

This guy is a mini gunther...
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so mecca what do you think of the guys dane named as building blocks of the franchise?
I didn't see that post so I can't really comment on it.
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Old 10-06-2009, 06:17 PM   #219
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I didn't see that post so I can't really comment on it.
and you cant look back a page?
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The Chiefs would have Flowers, Carr, Page, Hali, Dorsey, Turk, Tank, Albert, Cottam, Charles, Morgan, Pollard, Bowe, Leggett, Derrick Johnson and Kolby Smith as their building blocks.

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here is the list mecca. he also said they are all average players
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I really didn't like about half those picks....
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I really didn't like about half those picks....
but are they average players that would form the nucleus of a good/great team?
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It's hard to say some of those guys haven't played enough..

That's something I really have a gripe with, this team ****ing sucks, put DaJuan Morgan on the field, put Cottam on the field, Sean Ryan and Mike Brown mean shit to us.

Dorsey was a building block, he's not now.
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It's hard to say some of those guys haven't played enough..

That's something I really have a gripe with, this team ****ing sucks, put DaJuan Morgan on the field, put Cottam on the field, Sean Ryan and Mike Brown mean shit to us.

Dorsey was a building block, he's not now.
maybe those guys arent any better than what we are putting out there. remember that herm didnt play them much and they were his guys
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