Rick Gosselin draft grade: Chiefs get A+

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Drafting untalented team captains doesn't win games, we drafted a safety who ran a slower time than some of the OT's, there are great character people that post here, I don't want them suiting up for the Chiefs.

Scott Pioli is building a boyscout troupe, that's nice, it doesn't win games.

Of course reading Hootie's posts are always humorous because the guy would literally defend any pick.

you keep worrying about 40 times...

that's the problem with you and Hamas...

(and Al Davis)...

too much stock in 40 times...this is the NFL, it's not a track meet...

a 4.7 is plenty fast enough to be a great NFL player...it's whether or not they have football instincts and intelligence and work ethic etc. etc. etc.

and we're going to keep seeing it...

and besides...untalented team captains?? Ha.

McCluster/Arenas/Berry/Asomoah...those guys have all the talent in the world.

No wonder people are giving us A's for this draft. It was a great draft for a team that needed playmakers.

[teedubya]

Let's just implode Kansas City Sports... then we can flitter away back into obscurity like Omaha.

[Mecca]

I hope Eric Berry enjoys tackling, he's gonna be doing a lot of it.

[teedubya]

Im pretty sure Gosselin rode teh short bus.

[Mecca]

In case you aren't aware, 40 times do matter for defensive backs, build the slowest team in football, watch what happens to you.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Mecca

In case you aren't aware, 40 times do matter for defensive backs, build the slowest team in football, watch what happens to you.

NO 40 times do NOT matter.. speed matters. 40 times are not a very accurate way to measure football speed... it's time for us to dump that "measurable"

If a player is slow off the blocks they can lose up to 3/4 of a second... so what could be a 4.3 time ends up a 5 ...

Simply because they aren't TRACK stars (who train that ONE aspect over and over) doesn't mean they aren't fast.

THIS is why film trumps combine every single time.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

NO 40 times do NOT matter.. speed matters. 40 times are not a very accurate way to measure football speed... it's time for us to dump that "measurable"

I said this same exact thing earlier in the thread. I don't don't give a **** if a guy runs a 4.3 but can't play the game.

Conversely, I don't give a **** if a guy runs a 4.7 but is seen making plays all over the field.

Football is about instinct and preparation. While the ideal player is fast, instinctive and prepares (like an Eric Berry), guys that aren't fast but are instinctive and prepared can prosper in the NFL.

[Hammock Parties]

All of these bullshit appeals to a greater authority are useless.

If you really want to debate the stupid people who think the Chiefs ****ed up this draft, why don't you come up with an actual ARGUMENT as to why ignoring the front seven was a good idea.

And I'll tell you what, there actually IS a good argument, but none of the Pioli ball washers have come close to bringing it up. Because you're too busy polishing those rose-colored glasses.

So let's hear it...why was ignoring the front seven a great idea in a draft loaded with defensive talent? Don't just say "Pioli knows more than you."

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

All of these bullshit appeals to a greater authority are useless.

If you really want to debate the stupid people who think the Chiefs ****ed up this draft, why don't you come up with an actual ARGUMENT as to why ignoring the front seven was a good idea.

And I'll tell you what, there actually IS a good argument, but none of the Pioli ball washers have come close to bringing it up. Because you're too busy polishing those rose-colored glasses.

So let's hear it...why was ignoring the front seven a great idea in a draft loaded with defensive talent? Don't just say "Pioli knows more than you."

I don't think there is a good one unless you count Romeo playing the white knight. But we have seen this act before back in 2004 and it didn't work then and isn't going to work now.

Or maybe I have different idea, they are going to run a 3-1-7 D

But I definitely would be interested in your thoughts Clay.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I don't think there is a good one unless you count Romeo playing the white knight. But we have seen this act before back in 2004 and it didn't work then and isn't going to work now.

Or maybe I have different idea, they are going to run a 3-1-7 D

But I definitely would be interested in your thoughts Clay.

Think like the GM of a team who has an empty stadium and a quarterback who is being questioned.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Think like the GM of a team who has an empty stadium and a quarterback who is being questioned.

Ok.

Offense sells tickets so we are going to be putting up alot of points with no D?

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Ok.

Offense sells tickets so we are going to be putting up alot of points with no D?

If we're not putting up a lot of points, Pioli will look terrible.

In other news:

Ummm...we DID address the front 7. We got Shaun Smith. You can make fun of that statement all you wish but if you think I am joking about him being a significant upgrade over Ron Edwards then I would tell you to go and look at his stats under Crennel. HUGE UPGRADE. And I can also assure you that Edwards will play significantly better with better coaching and a year of 3-4 under his belt. And with better DL play comes better LB play. And we aren't even close to being through yet.

[Mecca]

It doesn't piss me off, it does sadden me to know that we'll continue to suck though.

[Mecca]

The Chiefs did something that is really really sad in the grand scheme of things, ponder this. Last years draft was very deep in offense, offensive line specifically, this years draft was extremely deep defensively.

In back to back years we have now ignored what the value of the draft was, that is not smart.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The Chiefs did something that is really really sad in the grand scheme of things, ponder this. Last years draft was very deep in offense, offensive line specifically, this years draft was extremely deep defensively.

In back to back years we have now ignored what the value of the draft was, that is not smart.

So which players outside of round one and two where such amazing values that led to huge contributions on the offensive line last year?

I for one will take Asamoah in the third over anyone selected from the 3rd-7th rounds last year.

FTR, Urbick's been a disaster in Pittsburgh and was my selection in the third round last year.