Chiefs what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? - Page 15

wutamess · 12-20-2011, 08:30 AM

OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me.

I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid.

I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton.

I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!

Reerun_KC · 12-21-2011, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

That has been KC's plan for the last 40 years and you know what it has gotten the franchise? Zero, zip, zilch, nada, nothing, crap, horseshit. They keep playing "adequate" at QB and continually fail to make the playoffs or get the crap kicked out of them in the 1st round because of that merely "adequate" QB.

Lock this thread now...

ChiefNJ2 just gave a lesson on Adequate QB play..

Well done sir...

Chiefnj2 · 12-21-2011, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Denny

KC just doesn't have any history of being able to draft a QB at all. Yet now, that's exactly what you want to risk the team's next 4-5 years on...

After 40 years of failure, yes, I would like them to try the approach that works for other teams. I'd rather take a new direction for the next 4 years rather than continue 44 years of a plan that has failed horribly.

htismaqe · 12-21-2011, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Denny

Sorry, but I don't rate Cassel as high as "adequate." Or Thigpen. Or Huard. Trent Green was the last KC QB even in that range.

Looking back thru the Chiefs draft history back to 1960, the only QBs who's names I recognize are Brody Croyle and Steve Fuller. Fuller was a good backup for Jim McMahon on the Super Bowl Bears of the 80s. That's the absolute best they've ever done at drafting the QB position.

KC just doesn't have any history of being able to draft a QB at all. Yet now, that's exactly what you want to risk the team's next 4-5 years on...

Risk what? A Super Bowl?

We've already suffered through SIX YEARS of Brodie Croyle, Tyler Thigpen, and Matt ****ing Cassel. You're worried about the next 4?

This kind of scaredy cat thinking is just silly.

**the Talking Can** · 12-21-2011, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Denny

Sorry, but I don't rate Cassel as high as "adequate." Or Thigpen. Or Huard. Trent Green was the last KC QB even in that range.

Looking back thru the Chiefs draft history back to 1960, the only QBs who's names I recognize are Brody Croyle and Steve Fuller. Fuller was a good backup for Jim McMahon on the Super Bowl Bears of the 80s. That's the absolute best they've ever done at drafting the QB position.

KC just doesn't have any history of being able to draft a QB at all. Yet now, that's exactly what you want to risk the team's next 4-5 years on...

um, what QBs have KC drafted in the first?

they've run out legions of your 'adequate' QBs and to claim otherwise is dishonest...we've tried it your way for decades with only failure as a result

imagine if one time in 30 years we tried it a different way...one ****ing time

but Chiefs fans are in love with mediocrity...decades of it are fine as long as we never do something risky like drafting a QB

htismaqe · 12-21-2011, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

After 40 years of failure, yes, I would like them to try the approach that works for other teams. I'd rather take a new direction for the next 4 years rather than continue 44 years of a plan that has failed horribly.

**notorious** · 12-21-2011, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

That has been KC's plan for the last 40 years and you know what it has gotten the franchise? Zero, zip, zilch, nada, nothing, crap, horseshit. They keep playing "adequate" at QB and continually fail to make the playoffs or get the crap kicked out of them in the 1st round because of that merely "adequate" QB.

Now that is what I am talking about!

wutamess · 12-21-2011, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

I would even go so far as to say he's better than Trent Green.

I thought it! You said it! Trent Green was a overrated bum that excelled at dumping the ball to Priest Holmes. Serviceable? Yes! A franchise qb? Hell NO!

KC_Lee · 12-21-2011, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Denny

KC just doesn't have any history of being able to draft a QB at all. Yet now, that's exactly what you want to risk the team's next 4-5 years on...

So because a team whiffs on a QB pick they should never try it again?

I better let the Titans know that they should not have drafted Locker because Young was a bust.

Chiefnj2 · 12-21-2011, 08:57 AM

Denny, what team do you root for? I'm assuming it's not KC since you said you didn't know who Peterson was.

Pasta Little Brioni · 12-21-2011, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Denny, what team do you root for? I'm assuming it's not KC since you said you didn't know who Peterson was.

The Fighting Neckbeards

wutamess · 12-21-2011, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Denny, what team do you root for? I'm assuming it's not KC since you said you didn't know who Peterson was.

Shouldn't matter... Orton is the best pure passer/best decision maker we've had since probably Grbac's probowl year. Before that... I don't remember Lenny playing but I'm guessing maybe it was him?

Hammock Parties · 12-21-2011, 09:03 AM

Orton is not better than Trent Green.

Comparable, yes. Better, no. Green was throwing for 4,000 back when it meant something.

Chiefnj2 · 12-21-2011, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

Shouldn't matter... Orton is the best pure passer/best decision maker we've had since probably Grbac's probowl year. Before that... I don't remember Lenny playing but I'm guessing maybe it was him?

I assume you are being serious.

Best pure passer and decision maker based on 1 game?? I guess you crowned his ass already.

**the Talking Can** · 12-21-2011, 09:07 AM

Green is better than Orton...and ran a passing offense that makes our current one look like a pee wee league scheme...

**Bane** · 12-21-2011, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by wutamess

Shouldn't matter... Orton is the best pure passer/best decision maker we've had since probably Grbac's probowl year. Before that... I don't remember Lenny playing but I'm guessing maybe it was him?

**** off /Trent Green.

12-20-2011, 08:30 AM
wutamess MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Lee's Summit Casino cash: $4711637	what's with all the Orton isn't the answer talk? OK he has the same stats avg as Cassle. BS! My dad and I argue about the Cheifs as if we're Pioli and Haley. I told him 3 weeeks ago, "dude. We finally have our QB." He looked at me like I was crazy and borderline ignored me. I tried explaining to him we finaly have a qb that can make all of the throws. All he could muster up was he wasn't shit in Denve and he wasn Shit in Chicago. I told him he had good stats lat yar and turned Brandn Lloyd into NFLs #1 wr last year. He wasn't buying it but my point was valid. I further went to explain that now Orton had something he's NEVER had as far as weapons. Now he has 2 BIG WRs as well as a WR that will stretch the field. Add JC and Moeki coming back next year and I think we can be a top 5 offense with Orton. I just don't understand why people think he's a fluke ad try to compare him to Cassle when he's HEAD AND SHOULDERS above Cassel in EVERY category. I'll go so far as to say we don't need to draft qb this year if we sign Orton... I'm als thinking with Berry coming back and a O tackle and another stud LB to complement DJ, we're poised for a SUPERBOWL RUN!
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12-21-2011, 09:03 AM	#222
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