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Old 09-03-2012, 03:19 PM   #1
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You can find a guy like Arenas in the 3rd or 4th round.

He was overdrafted, period.

Maybe if he brought Hester-like value to the return game, he'd be worth that pick. He doesn't.
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:27 PM   #2
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Who the hell on the roster is a "top 5 returner"?
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You can find a guy like Arenas in the 3rd or 4th round.

He was overdrafted, period.

Maybe if he brought Hester-like value to the return game, he'd be worth that pick. He doesn't.
Of guys that had more than 15 punt returns last year, Javier Arenas had THE THIRD HIGHEST AVERAGE.

Only Devin Hester and Patrick Peterson had a higher average per return in the whole NFL.
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:34 PM   #3
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Of guys that had more than 15 punt returns last year, Javier Arenas had THE THIRD HIGHEST AVERAGE.

Only Devin Hester and Patrick Peterson had a higher average per return in the whole NFL.
Give me a break dude, his long was 35 yards and he scored exactly ZERO TDs in punts or kickoffs. I think Stanzimania has affected your reasoning
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:41 PM   #4
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Give me a break dude, his long was 35 yards and he scored exactly ZERO TDs in punts or kickoffs. I think Stanzimania has affected your reasoning
I know you are trolling, but you are working against yourself here.

The fact that he didnt break one long one and was STILL had the third highest average per return shows how good he is at it.

Let me take it one step further....

Devin Hester 4 fumbles on 28 punt returns
Patrick Peterson had 3 fumbles on 44 punt returns
Javier Arenas had 1 fumble on 32 punt returns

Lets stop acting like the guy isn't very effective as a punt returner...the facts show he is one of the absolute best.
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:35 PM   #5
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You can find a guy like Arenas in the 3rd or 4th round.

He was overdrafted, period.

Maybe if he brought Hester-like value to the return game, he'd be worth that pick. He doesn't.
That's just ignorant and I'm pretty sure you know it.

Here is a list of CBs that were drafted between 2010 and 2012 in the third and fourth round.

Less than a handful are better than Arenas STRICTLY AS A CORNER and once you figure in the ability to blitz and his ability as a returner...to call it a bad pick is straight up lame and ignorant.

2012
2 62 Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt Green Bay Packers
3 65 Trumaine Johnson CB Montana St. Louis Rams
3 66 Josh Robinson CB Central Florida Minnesota Vikings
3 80 Jamell Fleming CB Oklahoma Arizona Cardinals
3 85 Dwight Bentley CB Louisiana-Lafayette Detroit Lions
3 94 Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech New York Giants
4 101 Omar Bolden CB Arizona State Denver Broncos
4 115 Coty Sensabaugh CB Clemson Tennessee Titans
4 123 Brandon Boykin CB Georgia Philadelphia Eagles
4 124 Ron Brooks CB LSU Buffalo Bills

2011
3 80 Chris Culliver DB South Carolina San Francisco 49ers
3 81 DeMarcus Van Dyke DB Miami (Fla.) Oakland Raiders
3 88 Johnny Patrick DB Louisville New Orleans Saints
3 89 Shareece Wright DB USC San Diego Chargers
3 90 Curtis Marsh DB Utah State Philadelphia Eagles
3 93 Chris Conte DB California Chicago Bears
3 95 Curtis Brown DB Texas Pittsburgh Steelers
4 98 Brandon Hogan CB West Virginia Carolina Panthers
4 100 Da'Norris Searcy DB North Carolina Buffalo Bills
4 108 Quinton Carter DB Oklahoma Denver Broncos
4 113 Chimdi Chekwa DB Ohio State Oakland Raiders
4 118 Jalil Brown DB Colorado Kansas City Chiefs
4 121 Chris Prosinski DB Wyoming Jacksonville Jaguars
4 127 Rashad Carmichael DB Virginia Tech Houston Texans
4 128 Cortez Allen DB The Citadel Pittsburgh Steelers

2010
3 65 Jerome Murphy DB South Florida St. Louis Rams
3 67 Myron Lewis DB Vanderbilt Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3 75 Major Wright DB Florida Chicago Bears
3 94 Kevin Thomas DB USC Indianapolis Colts
3 96 Brandon Ghee DB Wake Forest Cincinnati Bengals
4 104 Alterraun Verner CB UCLA Tennessee Titans
4 105 Trevard Lindley DB Kentucky Philadelphia Eagles
4 110 Darrell Stuckey DB Kansas San Diego Chargers
4 111 Walter Thurmond CB Oregon Seattle Seahawks
4 126 Akwasi Owusu-Ansah DB Indiana (PA) Dallas Cowboys
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Old 09-03-2012, 03:36 PM   #6
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That's just ignorant and I'm pretty sure you know it.

Here is a list of CBs that were drafted between 2010 and 2012 in the third and fourth round.

Less than a handful are better than Arenas STRICTLY AS A CORNER and once you figure in the ability to blitz and his ability as a returner...to call it a bad pick is straight up lame and ignorant.

2012
2 62 Casey Hayward CB Vanderbilt Green Bay Packers
3 65 Trumaine Johnson CB Montana St. Louis Rams
3 66 Josh Robinson CB Central Florida Minnesota Vikings
3 80 Jamell Fleming CB Oklahoma Arizona Cardinals
3 85 Dwight Bentley CB Louisiana-Lafayette Detroit Lions
3 94 Jayron Hosley CB Virginia Tech New York Giants
4 101 Omar Bolden CB Arizona State Denver Broncos
4 115 Coty Sensabaugh CB Clemson Tennessee Titans
4 123 Brandon Boykin CB Georgia Philadelphia Eagles
4 124 Ron Brooks CB LSU Buffalo Bills

2011
3 80 Chris Culliver DB South Carolina San Francisco 49ers
3 81 DeMarcus Van Dyke DB Miami (Fla.) Oakland Raiders
3 88 Johnny Patrick DB Louisville New Orleans Saints
3 89 Shareece Wright DB USC San Diego Chargers
3 90 Curtis Marsh DB Utah State Philadelphia Eagles
3 93 Chris Conte DB California Chicago Bears
3 95 Curtis Brown DB Texas Pittsburgh Steelers
4 98 Brandon Hogan CB West Virginia Carolina Panthers
4 100 Da'Norris Searcy DB North Carolina Buffalo Bills
4 108 Quinton Carter DB Oklahoma Denver Broncos
4 113 Chimdi Chekwa DB Ohio State Oakland Raiders
4 118 Jalil Brown DB Colorado Kansas City Chiefs
4 121 Chris Prosinski DB Wyoming Jacksonville Jaguars
4 127 Rashad Carmichael DB Virginia Tech Houston Texans
4 128 Cortez Allen DB The Citadel Pittsburgh Steelers

2010
3 65 Jerome Murphy DB South Florida St. Louis Rams
3 67 Myron Lewis DB Vanderbilt Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3 75 Major Wright DB Florida Chicago Bears
3 94 Kevin Thomas DB USC Indianapolis Colts
3 96 Brandon Ghee DB Wake Forest Cincinnati Bengals
4 104 Alterraun Verner CB UCLA Tennessee Titans
4 105 Trevard Lindley DB Kentucky Philadelphia Eagles
4 110 Darrell Stuckey DB Kansas San Diego Chargers
4 111 Walter Thurmond CB Oregon Seattle Seahawks
4 126 Akwasi Owusu-Ansah DB Indiana (PA) Dallas Cowboys
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Old 09-04-2012, 09:57 AM   #7
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You can find a guy like Arenas in the 3rd or 4th round.

He was overdrafted, period.

Maybe if he brought Hester-like value to the return game, he'd be worth that pick. He doesn't.
So what DB was taken in the 3rd or 4th round of that draft that is better than Arenas, and has the 3rd highest PR av. in the league?
Arenas also played 60% of the teams defensive snaps last season, so he's nearly considered a starter, and a well above average one.
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Old 09-04-2012, 11:39 AM   #8
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Arenas also played 60% of the teams defensive snaps last season, so he's nearly considered a starter, and a well above average one.
This was already debunked.

He played 382 snaps.
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This was already debunked.

He played 382 snaps.
How many snaps did the Defense have??
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How many snaps did the Defense have??
Over 1,000.

Try reading the thread.

Or just realizing that 60 snaps x 16 = a large number
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Let's not even compare Arenas to those guys, because he isn't the same kind of returner, and we all know it.

3rd or 4th round value.

Could go up or down based on how he plays this year against better QBs.

Danny Amendola be smokin' dat ass.
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Brandon Flowers was also taken in the 2nd round, like Arenas.

Flowers is good 2nd round value.

Arenas ain't.
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I wouldn't say it was a BAD pick.

I would just say he was drafted a little too high.

It's not like Arenas sucks or anything. He's good at what he does. He's not Dexter McCluster. I appreciate what Arenas does for our team.

But when you draft a corner that high, he should absolutely have the ability to be a starter, or at least a spot starter.

It's OK to make a pick like Arenas when you are nailing your other high picks.

Pioli doesn't, unfortunately.
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I wouldn't say it was a BAD pick.

I would just say he was drafted a little too high.

It's not like Arenas sucks or anything. He's good at what he does. He's not Dexter McCluster. I appreciate what Arenas does for our team.

But when you draft a corner that high, he should absolutely have the ability to be a starter, or at least a spot starter.

It's OK to make a pick like Arenas when you are nailing your other high picks.

Pioli doesn't, unfortunately.
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