Alex Smith

[jspchief]

How do you feel about him as your QB in this situation?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

FO won't be updated until Tues/Wed.. I'd bet the Denver game pushes the Chiefs down, you?

If it does, it won't be by much.

Smith had 2.9 seconds or more to throw on 4/6 sacks. That's plenty of time in the NFL.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...le4223679.html

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Good point.

Nothing should even need to be changed- only recognized. You'd think the 9 year vet who is supposedly a master of the short passing game in an offense that is predicated on the short passing game would know where his outlet guy is going to be.

Line up, recognize where the potential blitzers could be coming from, find a receiver in that direction, pass the ****ing ball, profit!

This is what bothers me the most. Denver runs very basic passing concepts. It's been well known for a while now that Manning loves pick/chair route, hi/lo (levels), china, smash, tare/stick... real BASIC passing concepts. He gets the ball out quick and to the area the defender blitzed from. He sees 1 high safety? He will look for a seam vs zone, or take a shot down the sideline if your pressings w/ one high. I wont get into the fact that his receivers release off press correctly and stem correctly.. but why we are NOT running these passing concepts is beyond me.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

So you're going to cherry pick one stat and that's what you're going to go off of? If I remember correctly....you didn't say that the Chiefs offensive line was a bottom 5 in just pass blocking. You said a bottom 5 unit. All of those teams listed....have given up more sacks than the Chiefs.

Guess it wasn't specified, but I'd been talking about the pass pro side of an OL. Total sacks can be deceptive, when regarding just how bad an OL is. Just as having a great run block rank could be far more due to having a great RB than a great OL.

Unfortunately, it's impossible to nail down a specific ranking for pass pro as well... since many variables outside of the OL get added into this. Alex will play safe and take more sacks than others... He also uses mobility to avoid some sacks that other QBs would eat.

... but really, if you watch a lot of non-KC football games also? You could easily tell that KC has one of the bottom OLs in the league.

[Red Dawg]

This team has had the roster severely turned over the past two seasons. Pioli created a mess that Dorsey is trying to fix. Smith is solid but nobody could win much our crap OL and recievers. Not Dorseys fault when there are so many over bloated contracts eating up all the money. The guys we let walk were not that great anyway and paying top dollar for Albert would have been stupid. It was bad to pay Bowe but we had nothing thanks to Pioli. We are not there yet but we are young and on the rise.

Turning a team

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Denver didn't blitz for the most part.

It was 4 guys rushing but not the 4 down linemen.

When teams blitz with extra rushers you are correct, it is on the QB to try and beat it with a pass to the guy that isn't covered.

Smith has a pretty good history of doing this.

So, what is your take on why this didn't happen last night?

I'd really like to know and see some gifs of these plays.. I'm content to bash Smith myself, if there's sufficient number of plays that he just failed on. Is it Reid's scheme? Because I sure didn't see much in the way of receivers breaking into quick-hitting routes to beat the blitz.

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

So, what is your take on why this didn't happen last night?

I'd really like to know and see some gifs of these plays.. I'm content to bash Smith myself, if there's sufficient number of plays that he just failed on. Is it Reid's scheme? Because I sure didn't see much in the way of receivers breaking into quick-hitting routes to beat the blitz.

You wont know without seeing the A22 film.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8

This is what bothers me the most. Denver runs very basic passing concepts. It's been well known for a while now that Manning loves pick/chair route, hi/lo (levels), china, smash, tare/stick... real BASIC passing concepts. He gets the ball out quick and to the area the defender blitzed from. He sees 1 high safety? He will look for a seam vs zone, or take a shot down the sideline if your pressings w/ one high. I wont get into the fact that his receivers release off press correctly and stem correctly.. but why we are NOT running these passing concepts is beyond me.

Agreed.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

If it does, it won't be by much.

Smith had 2.9 seconds or more to throw on 4/6 sacks. That's plenty of time in the NFL.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...le4223679.html

That can be a deceptive stat as well.

Let's say for instance that the ball is snapped and just as Smith hits his back foot on a 3 step drop.. he has a DL shoot through McSuck and get in his face... Smith wiggles to the right and the DL fails to wrap arms around him to get him down... so Smith continues to the right looking for lane to run, but the RT can't stay in front of his man, and the defender brings Smith down for the sack.

A likely sack that should have taken 1.7 seconds.. took 2.9 seconds... but it was 2.9 due to Smith's initial evasion.

See? impossible to really nail down these things by looking at a stat.

[Reerun_KC]

Smith is just a symptom of the problem...

Why does CP always want to treat the symptom and not find a cure for the disease??

Smith is limited in his abilities, we all know that. But Reid is a god damn lazy fat **** moron...

10 Days to prepare for the Broncos and he goes full Herm Edwards on this franchise and fan base...

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

So, what is your take on why this didn't happen last night?

I'd really like to know ans see some gifs of these plays.. I'm content to bash Smith myself, if there's sufficient number of plays that he just failed on. Is it Reid's scheme? Because I sure didn't see much in the way of receivers breaking into quick-hitting routes to beat the blitz.

4 of the sacks were when down 13 in the 4th Q.
DBs were likely playing smart and didn't care to bite on fakes and just waited for the WRs to try and break open. 5-10 yard completions were not gonna work with 7 min left.

There was open check-downs, Kelce was 1 of them I remember watching for a pass standing at the top of the screen but Smith kept his eyes on the WRs and then got sacked.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

4 of the sacks were when down 13 in the 4th Q.
DBs were likely playing smart and didn't care to bite on fakes and just waited for the WRs to try and break open. 5-10 yard completions were not gonna work with 7 min left.

There was open check-downs, Kelce was 1 of them I remember watching for a pass standing at the top of the screen but Smith kept his eyes on the WRs and then got sacked.

Yeah... hard enough for QBs to play well behind poor OLs when defenses know you have to pass. Particularly when there are no WRs that strike fear into them.

Was just a shit game.. preceded by another shit game the week before. Both weeks, their opponents looked hungrier than did KC.

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Agreed.

With how bad our OL is, and our lack-luster receiving.. I'm surprised we haven't adopted more of a spread offense similar to what Chip is running in philly now. Alex is a viable running threat off the zone read, and we can even package JC/Davis/DAT/Bowe/Kelce and run a Gus Malzahn-ish read option/jet sweep play action game.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8

With how bad our OL is, and our lack-luster receiving.. I'm surprised we haven't adopted more of a spread offense similar to what Chip is running in philly now. Alex is a viable running threat off the zone read, and we can even package JC/Davis/DAT/Bowe/Kelce and run a Gus Malzahn-ish read option/jet sweep play action game.

I also agree with this.



On an unrelated (somewhat) note, I really hate McGlynn.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8

With how bad our OL is, and our lack-luster receiving.. I'm surprised we haven't adopted more of a spread offense similar to what Chip is running in philly now. Alex is a viable running threat off the zone read, and we can even package JC/Davis/DAT/Bowe/Kelce and run a Gus Malzahn-ish read option/jet sweep play action game.

I would love that.

It would also work wonders in getting Jamaal some room to work with..

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by Aspengc8

With how bad our OL is, and our lack-luster receiving.. I'm surprised we haven't adopted more of a spread offense similar to what Chip is running in philly now. Alex is a viable running threat off the zone read, and we can even package JC/Davis/DAT/Bowe/Kelce and run a Gus Malzahn-ish read option/jet sweep play action game.

This a good idea but you still have to block. Football has evolved but the team that blocks and tackles the best will win more than they lose. We neither block nor tackle worth two damns.