"Alex Smith makes your defense better"

[temper11]

Article from Arrowhead Pride. Talks of the apparent positive effects of Smith's game on the defense.

This won't change any minds... Smith-baters have been saying this for a while now, but at least someone put it on paper and put some numbers to it for discussion.

Have at it everyone...

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/6...defense-better

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's pretty amazing how the same offensive line that sucked in the beginning of 2013 improved at the end of 2013. And those same offensive linemen then really, really sucked in the beginning of 2014. Then got better. Then sucked again at the end of the year.

No mention that at the end of 2013, Smith played more aggressively and actually took shots downfield. No mention of the fact that at the end of 2014, teams were blitzing the shit out of him because he never picked up the blitz or hot read. Sure, it would be nice to have an OL that can cover up for the QB. But the QB has to do his part to make he OL better too.

You don't know what you are talking about.
Smith isn't the be all and end all when talking about the offense and results.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

You don't know what you are talking about.
Smith isn't the be all and end all when talking about the offense and results.

When you're talking about dramatic differences in 2013 and 2014 IN SEASON, I'm a lot more inclined to think Smith's consistent play is more a factor vs. trying to claim Geoff Schwartz is a pro bowler who magically turned the 2013 offensive line around. Or that the offensive line suddenly forgot how to play at the end of 2014.

Like I said, the OL needs to play better. The WRs need to be more reliable. BUt there's a dramatic difference also in how Smith approached the Chiefs games where the offense was productive vs. games where they were not. And most of it is linked to his ability to convert third downs and play more aggressively.

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

When you're talking about dramatic differences in 2013 and 2014 IN SEASON, I'm a lot more inclined to think Smith's consistent play is more a factor vs. trying to claim Geoff Schwartz is a pro bowler who magically turned the 2013 offensive line around. Or that the offensive line suddenly forgot how to play at the end of 2014.

Like I said, the OL needs to play better. The WRs need to be more reliable. BUt there's a dramatic difference also in how Smith approached the Chiefs games where the offense was productive vs. games where they were not. And most of it is linked to his ability to convert third downs and play more aggressively.

Nope.
But Yes 3rd Downs are always key

The OL was learning the new system with everyone else. The schedule had a lot of trash where it was coasting on offense. Fisher was being exposed at RT.
You don't recall the abortion that was McGlynn and then what looked like a hobbled McGlynn? Linkenbach was darn near as bad.

Whether you blitz or not in based more on if you are a running formations and play-action type team or if you are shotgun spread out offense. Still KC was not blitzed a that high of rate and Smith actually handled it well with how the offense was based on getting out the short pass quick anyhow.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nst-the-blitz/

[RobBlake]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

When you're talking about dramatic differences in 2013 and 2014 IN SEASON, I'm a lot more inclined to think Smith's consistent play is more a factor vs. trying to claim Geoff Schwartz is a pro bowler who magically turned the 2013 offensive line around. Or that the offensive line suddenly forgot how to play at the end of 2014.

Like I said, the OL needs to play better. The WRs need to be more reliable. BUt there's a dramatic difference also in how Smith approached the Chiefs games where the offense was productive vs. games where they were not. And most of it is linked to his ability to convert third downs and play more aggressively.

why can't it be both?

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Thanks for posting a bunch of numbers. A link to where these numbers came from, what they mean, who is conducting the "grading", and comparison to other teams/players might be useful in determining their relevance.

If these are from ****ing Pro Football Focus, then congratulations. You're posting "grades" from people who have no idea what the hell is going on other than "Hey, that guy got past the other guy" or other brilliant insights such as "That guy blocked him!".

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Nope.
But Yes 3rd Downs are always key

The OL was learning the new system with everyone else. The schedule had a lot of trash where it was coasting on offense. Fisher was being exposed at RT.
You don't recall the abortion that was McGlynn and then what looked like a hobbled McGlynn? Linkenbach was darn near as bad.

Whether you blitz or not in based more on if you are a running formations and play-action type team or if you are shotgun spread out offense. Still KC was not blitzed a that high of rate and Smith actually handled it well with how the offense was based on getting out the short pass quick anyhow.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...nst-the-blitz/

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Thanks for posting a bunch of numbers. A link to where these numbers came from, what they mean, who is conducting the "grading", and comparison to other teams/players might be useful in determining their relevance.

If these are from ****ing Pro Football Focus, then congratulations. You're posting "grades" from people who have no idea what the hell is going on other than "Hey, that guy got past the other guy" or other brilliant insights such as "That guy blocked him!".

So McGlynn is actually pretty good?
Eric Fisher is a Pro Bowler?

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Thanks for posting a bunch of numbers. A link to where these numbers came from, what they mean, who is conducting the "grading", and comparison to other teams/players might be useful in determining their relevance.

If these are from ****ing Pro Football Focus, then congratulations. You're posting "grades" from people who have no idea what the hell is going on other than "Hey, that guy got past the other guy" or other brilliant insights such as "That guy blocked him!".

Watch out, Sorter. That dude loves Alex Smith more than dolphins love rape.

It's life or death with him.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

So McGlynn is actually pretty good?
Eric Fisher is a Pro Bowler?

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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RobBlake

why can't it be both?

Good question. For most people, they want one or the other. The OL sucks so Smith gets a free pass. Or Alex Smith should be able to play with that crappy OL. I agree - both need to play better. And I don't think fixing the OL is going to fix Smith. Smith is the guy who needs to fix Smith.

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by Sorter

.

You have no substantial refute to the core point so classic tactic is attack the messenger.

What you imply is the OL wasn't that bad. That is the joke. Only a dimwit would say that. We watched the games. They were a pile of crap.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by SNR

Watch out, Sorter. That dude loves Alex Smith more than dolphins love rape.

It's life or death with him.

These 49er ****s are seriously deranged. I've never even heard of a group of fans cherry-picking to prop up an average player whose greatest NFL accomplishments to date are:

1. Getting to the NFCCG
2. Winning 1 playoff game
3. Having the best passer rating over 8 games for one season
4. Losing a playoff game in which he played quite well in

At least Mav acknowledges that "Hey, Alex isn't the greatest. It isn't all his fault but he ****s up".

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by ViperVisor

You have no substantial refute to the core point so classic tactic is attack the messenger.

What you imply is the OL wasn't that bad. That is the joke. Only a dimwit would say that. We watched the games. They were a pile of crap.

First, you never provided any information that would make your "core point" valid, you ****ing moron. Here it is again, so you can have another shot.

Originally Posted by Sorter

Thanks for posting a bunch of numbers. A link to where these numbers came from, what they mean, who is conducting the "grading", and comparison to other teams/players might be useful in determining their relevance.

I've never implied that the OL

wasn't that bad

. They were certainly below average. The difference is, you Alex Smith cock-gobbling psychopath, I understand that there are several variables that go into a disastrous offensive line performance. There are certainly a few that can be attributed to the QB. I can list them if you like or you can just admit that Alex Smith is average.

[Just Passin' By]

[ViperVisor]

Originally Posted by Sorter

There are several variables that go into a disastrous offensive line performance. There are certainly a few that can be attributed to the QB. I can list them if you like or you can just admit that Alex Smith is average.